From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Help buffer key bindings Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:44:42 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87fypwdn7p.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132246565 14688 80.91.229.2 (17 Nov 2005 16:56:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 17 17:56:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcmuJ-0000Zx-BW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:46:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcmuI-0005e0-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:46:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecmsi-0004sR-26 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecmsf-0004r4-MI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:45:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecmsf-0004qp-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.30] (helo=rgminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ecmse-00056K-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.50]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id jAHGivWH028633 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:44:57 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jAHGiv6c029507 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:44:57 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with SMTP id jAHGiuxr029500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:44:56 -0700 Original-To: "Emacs Devel" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <87fypwdn7p.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46164 Archived-At: > And bind it to the other keys that `Info-history-back' is bound to - > including `mouse-4'. Under X11, mouse-4 and mouse-5 are typically used for wheel events, so they're used by mouse-wheel-mode. OK, so let the bindings be platform-dependent, to some extent. Platform-dependence is already coded into the mouse-wheel code (m-wheel.el), so it wouldn't be setting a new precedent. We shouldn't design only for the lowest common denominator, anyway - otherwise, we would eliminate all graphics, fonts, frames, etc. from Emacs. Mouse-4 and -5 are just "nice-to-haves" - not essential to the basic use of Emacs, so I don't think a little platform dependence would hurt here. Why not give non-X11 users this simple convenience they are used to in other apps? That's a shame, for X11, BTW (and it seems weird to me - takes away two mouse buttons, just so you can use the wheel?). I guess that means the same happens for Web browsers in X11 environments - can't use mouse-4 for Back and mouse-5 for Forward?