From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: recenter-top-bottom Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:56:28 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87ir488gpj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1194825526 28771 80.91.229.12 (11 Nov 2007 23:58:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:58:46 +0000 (UTC) To: "Bastien" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 12 00:58:49 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IrMhV-0008LJ-2B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:58:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrMhI-00018v-Vz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:58:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IrMfM-0006bX-Uo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:56:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IrMfL-0006Y4-3d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:56:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrMfK-0006Xe-SK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:56:34 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IrMfK-0006uu-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:56:34 -0500 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id lABNuRSU015727; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:56:27 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id lABLl4CG023997; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:56:26 -0700 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-80-223.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3359445781194825378; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:56:18 -0800 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <87ir488gpj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:82998 Archived-At: > I often type C-l when to point is *near* the middle of the buffer, just > to slightly adjust the display. Just out of curiosity, why? Except for refreshing the display, why anyone would use `C-l' with point already at or near the center - and want it to stay there - is beyond me. But people are different. You could of course still do the same thing, but you would need to hit `C-l' three times, not one. If you make such minor display adjustments with `C-l' frequently, then, yes, this is not optimal for you. > Sometimes, the point is already in the very middle and I > don't notice it, and typing C-l just leaves the point > where it is -- which is fine. > > I would find it disturbing to see the point jumping at the beginning of > the window when it is at the middle of the window. For me, the middle > of the window is kind of a gravity center, and hitting C-l should go > there first, even when the point is already at the middle of the window. As I said, I expect we're not going to be able to satisfy everyone on this, regardless of how it is tweaked. If we decide to go this route, then there will always be someone who prefers the old behavior. My preferred response would be to tell them to just rebind `C-l' to `recenter' - nothing lost. I would think most people would prefer the proposed behavior - but who knows? FWIW - I find remarkable the language some people are using. I'm impressed that anyone finds such a proposal "disturbing" or "an irritation" (and screams "PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!!!!" for setting `last-command' to an undefined command name). I'm truly amazed that this is so critical. I have my own habits and preferences, so I understand, but I'm still a bit surprised.