From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: RE: smtp crap Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 00:03:58 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318057470 17824 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 07:04:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, miles@gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 09:04:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQxN-0006P3-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:04:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52501 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQxM-0005mp-R4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:04:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQxK-0005mZ-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:04:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQxJ-0007cz-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:47289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCQxE-0007cQ-SA; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet23.oracle.com (ucsinet23.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p9874AP6009578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:04:12 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet23.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p98749gl010723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:04:10 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p98744AA031927; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 02:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.18) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 00:03:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: AcyFhmQxL1K3ahzXQY283nPXABrpXQAAFwow X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet23.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4E8FF5ED.004F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144733 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80229 Archived-At: > > Nowadays especially, users already have email configured on > > whatever devices they use. > > That's mostly true on MS-Windows, but people are saying not on other > systems. I'm not in a position to argue whether this is true or false > on Posix platforms. And I'm not in a position to judge, but I would be surprised if nearly every user of a smart device didn't already have email configured for it. "Systems" are mobile and Internet-connected now, whether they run on Windows, Posix, petroleum, or plutonium. Even photocopy machines and ebook readers know about email nowadays. > Chong and Lars, any objections to changing the default value of > send-mail-function to mailclient-send-it for MS-Windows only? That would be a start. But I have yet to see any real argument for not returning to the noiseless UI behavior of yore, pre this regression - for all "systems". Let users look for how to configure XYZ if they really need to configure XYZ. Don't be annoying them by soliciting their participation in a configuration dance. If they really want to dance, they'll come ask you - no need to ask them.