From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development? 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( [81.86.42.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h7sm6124589nfh.2007.06.07.15.53.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:53:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72448 Archived-At: --===============2023129821== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-65--1061324988; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-65--1061324988 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 7 Jun 2007, at 23:42, Sean O'Rourke wrote: > Right, and although there's something to be said for doing things > =E0 la Emacs, I'm gradually accepting that it's not possible to > convert everyone to the old-school point of view. ;) Absolutely. If all my other applications used the same interaction =20 paradigms, it would be acceptable. Humans are very adaptive (i.e. =20 intelligent) animals, but we still don't like to switch modes. I'd love to see an "Emacs component" as the plug-in editor in all =20 editing fields in GUI applications, like as the editor in the e-mail =20 client that I am using right now. Having a programmable editor that =20 runs just inside other applications is what I'd much rather have than =20= a multitude of applications running inside the programmable editor. >> - better support of variable-width fonts > > Absolutely, e.g. for reading info pages. It should be little > more work to do this agreeably than to do it at all. I'd actually like to use such fonts to write text. But they really =20 don't play well with longlines-mode. And I had to write a number of extra functions to be able to move the =20= cursor up and down in between lines with variable-width fonts. The =20 plain GNU Emacs as it comes just doesn't support that, even though =20 variable-width fonts have been added a long time ago. >> - optional replacement of windows inside frames with multiple >> frames > > This, on the other hand, seems harder to get right without > disturbing people's habits. Perhaps adding more customization to > pop-to-buffer and display-buffer is the way to go? Yes, difficult indeed, and `one-buffer-one-frame-mode' indeed works =20 by changing the display function (amongst various other things). --Apple-Mail-65--1061324988 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFxDCCAn0w ggHmoAMCAQICEET3X8rl+mO+KgopfI9P9CowDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA2MTIxNDE2MTYwMFoXDTA3MTIxNDE2MTYw MFowYjEQMA4GA1UEBBMHUmVpdHRlcjEOMAwGA1UEKhMFRGF2aWQxFjAUBgNVBAMTDURhdmlkIFJl aXR0ZXIxJjAkBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWF2RhdmlkLnJlaXR0ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQC9+MsUr0gn2E94zgMiuk6FF/Gf5obXQ1bxET+uPPt6Fw/D+QsRbjcS j0eHlpsAbvfPBmktzA2vnemTWUy5mf4fPfyL1jqx/8T2dPZYu1C0Fpa+Kja5Lc1Ns6034zcGLDk3 xMIbtMoPxvZr4VpQQByrKnCEI+TI9CH3BTQV7fo/AwIDAQABozQwMjAiBgNVHREEGzAZgRdkYXZp ZC5yZWl0dGVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAE7qDvvO yj2IG05bQ8pmfLnH858dU7WqE2nL8JZYBz1TdQ6XjtC/cFIJ3Jj/p3D1a9Xv25DtfrXYwTU/7hly kQe04c6GHNQrpeApFKI4YWRLW0WuAXwVCnsKf6yeEHQndYg1/M1sWGZQU4idLg9X0l5ItFUQKBz4 spe2cOIA8t26MIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx FTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEk MCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJz b25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVow YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEB AQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU 5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTX p6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8C AQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFs RnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2 YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aU nX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5 jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAo8wggKLAgEB MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4x LDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBE91/K5fpjvioK KXyPT/QqMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcN AQkFMQ8XDTA3MDYwNzIyNTM0MVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFNCzMoAa4N6WD7PhrxikQD7Gddlf MIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3Vs dGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWlu ZyBDQQIQRPdfyuX6Y74qCil8j0/0KjCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpB MSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUg UGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQRPdfyuX6Y74qCil8j0/0KjANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAASBgG80/NF07vO2lBfqDFRBJkuSY1uItFeRPB2GTeRoPbnA/T3C1It7YfRqldmnwfbaISkA qWoEAJqVLtIfWWeo+QFuvJT1hXL2+Ck8uNkPm5+wPZB3g/dIxDK1nPpb7M78RUCkVarwcMV+G3du HhP6LPQ1AD/cxHreuphi1s85i6HkAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-65--1061324988-- --===============2023129821== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --===============2023129821==--