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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282772 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:28:47 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: > > Lars> Well, we ended the thread with: > > >> > We could just remove support for '--with-x-toolkit=3Dmotif' from > >> > configure.ac for a while, and see if anyone complains. If not, w= e rip > >> > out the actual Motif code. > >>=20 > >> Sounds like a plan. > > Lars> And now we've had (at least) a couple complaints, so perhaps we= should > Lars> reconsider. It did take almost a full year, so the complaints = aren't... > Lars> vigorous, though. > > It looks like I wrongly assumed that the people who still build Emacs > with Motif support tracked master, and would thus all jump out and > complain instantly about my heinous crime. It looks more like they > wait for a new release, and this change is not in a released > version of Emacs (and I=CA=BCve seen no messages from the alleged CDE > people affected by this). > > If there=CA=BCs a strong will to put it back, we can of course do so, but= I > was hoping to achieve more removals of problematic display code. If > even such a small change is rejected, then I lose hope we will ever > achieve such simplifications. I feel said. Is there really anyone in the world who cares for Motif? Emacs C source is full of spaghetti-if-defs all over the place. It would be= nice if it was cleaned of some old stuff not cared by more than 5 people.