From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AltGr finger twisters documented? Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:55:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120563733 24003 80.91.229.2 (5 Jul 2005 11:42:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 05 13:42:10 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DploB-0006BN-4u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:41:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DplpR-00071H-0x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dplls-00054w-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:39:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dpllp-00052G-J2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:39:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dplib-0003If-H9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.54.107.70] (helo=mxfep01.bredband.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DplBS-0005k1-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 07:01:46 -0400 Original-Received: from coolsville.localdomain ([83.226.180.210] [83.226.180.210]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20050705105533.NKO24612.mxfep01.bredband.com@coolsville.localdomain>; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:55:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: Original-To: Juanma Barranquero X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40413 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40413 > After an exchange of comments on the Emacs wiki, that left me =20 > wondering... > > Is there any place in the Emacs documentation that explains that you > *can* type C-M-@, C-@, C-M-\, C-\ and C-] on an AltGr-challenged > keyboard, *provided* that you use the right order, i.e., AltGr, right > Ctrl, and then the modified key? > > For example, on my Spanish keyboard: > > C-M-@ =3D> AltGr RCtrl Alt 2 > C-@ =3D> AltGr RCtrl 2 > C-M-\ =3D> AltGr RCtrl Alt =BA > C-\ =3D> AltGr RCtrl =BA > C-] =3D> AltGr RCtrl + > > It is non-obvious: it doesn't work if you press other key before > AltGr, or if you use left control. I suspect this is keyboard dependent. I do C-\ all the time with =20 both right and left control, and I press Ctrl-AltGr-+ (hold down all =20 three keys at the same time, which I press first or last does not =20 matter) on my swedish keyboard (and add Alt to that, i.e. Alt-Ctrl-=20 AltGr-+, gets me M-C-\, but it is not very ergonomic). The trick =20 above does not work for me at all. Jan D.