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From: Qiantan Hong <qhong@mit.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>, Fermin <fmfs@posteo.net>,
	Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>,
	Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 17:00:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D965769C-7957-4F4A-AD6A-7756EFC480A1@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org>


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> That's the problem collaborative editing needs to solve, isn't it?
> The communications between clients should allow resolution of
> differences in buffer position, and detection of losing track of text
> modifications.

> I don't think I understand what you mean by "C library" here.

As discussed above, if we implement CRDT as a “editor agnostic
C library”, then there will likely to be an extra synchronization
between C library and emacs.

> The communications between clients should allow resolution of
> differences in buffer position, and detection of losing track of text
> modifications.

I’m talking about synchronization between the buffer data structure
in C library, and buffer data structure in Emacs.
Apparently we’re not going to implement CRDT between them
(otherwise why not just let Emacs powered CRDT talk to each other),
and most likely they will exchange message about raw 
(buffer position, operation, text). But this is the most naive
synchronization mechanism and have no robustness.

> You don't need buffer-modification hooks, you can use other existing
> mechanisms.  Emacs knows that buffer text was changed even if the
> modification hooks were inhibited.
That’s a workaround, but I’m not sure if it can capture user intent
(i.e. it gives operation-wise information rather than just a diff between
versions of buffer). If it can’t then we will need to implement both
update based on modification-hooks and change state of the buffer,
which is an additional impl/maintenance burden.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-30 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200921120518.35d56p747pr5mhta.ref@Ergus>
2020-09-21 12:05 ` Question collaborative editing Ergus
2020-09-21 13:35   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-21 16:24     ` Ergus
2020-09-21 20:25     ` Karl Fogel
2020-09-24  1:36       ` Ergus
2020-09-24 21:41         ` Fermin
2020-09-25  0:22           ` Ergus
2020-09-25 10:34             ` Fermin
2020-09-26 16:33               ` Ergus
2020-09-29 16:01                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-29 21:46                   ` Ergus
2020-09-30  9:52                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-28  0:43               ` Ergus
2020-09-29  0:00                 ` Fermin
2020-09-29  1:01                   ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-29  8:25                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 12:45                       ` Ergus
2020-09-29 15:58                         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-29 16:29                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29 16:33                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-27  5:10                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-27 12:46                               ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 17:35                         ` Karl Fogel
2020-09-29 21:58                           ` Ergus
2020-09-29 23:40                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30  0:13                               ` Ergus
2020-09-30  0:47                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30  7:40                                 ` Karl Fogel
2020-09-30 13:19                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-30 17:00                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-02 18:48                                     ` Emacs + Etherpad compatibility? (was: Question collaborative editing.) Karl Fogel
2020-10-02 20:34                                       ` Emacs + Etherpad compatibility? Stefan Monnier
2020-10-03 10:01                                         ` Michael Albinus
2020-09-30 13:46                                 ` Question collaborative editing Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 13:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 15:47                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 16:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 17:00                                     ` Qiantan Hong [this message]
2020-09-30 17:04                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 17:20                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 17:48                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 18:08                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 23:11                                               ` Ergus
2020-10-01 13:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 15:21                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-01 23:10                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-01 15:55                                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-30 17:08                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 14:11                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 16:01                                       ` Ergus
2020-10-01 16:44                                         ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-01 16:53                                           ` Ergus
2020-10-01 17:29                                             ` Yuri Khan
2020-10-02  3:00                                               ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-02  7:30                                             ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-02  7:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 10:01                                               ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-02 11:33                                               ` Ergus
2020-10-02 12:13                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-04 17:54                                           ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Jean Louis
2020-10-04 18:45                                             ` Caio Henrique
2020-10-04 19:48                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04 23:59                                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  0:05                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  1:08                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-05  4:40                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-05  5:48                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  6:18                                                         ` Qiantan Hong
     [not found]                                                           ` <EC602765-9F1A-4269-9F2E-4F05C50AE1E7@mit.edu>
2020-10-05  8:07                                                             ` crdt.el collaborative real time editing for Emacs Jean Louis
2020-10-05  8:22                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05 14:03                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05 17:05                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05 18:17                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05 14:11                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  9:39                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  8:51                                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  3:53                                                   ` crdt.el - collaborative " Jean Louis
2020-10-05  4:02                                                   ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Jean Louis
2020-10-05  4:11                                                     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  5:34                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  5:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  6:15                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-05  6:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  7:31                                                         ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05  8:44                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05 13:20                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-05 17:20                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-06  1:03                                                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-06  1:41                                                               ` T.V Raman
2020-10-06  8:52                                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-06 17:32                                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 16:15                                                                 ` Ergus
2020-10-20 17:11                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-20 18:51                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-26 20:36                                                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-27 21:54                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2020-10-27 22:45                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-29 16:21                                                                             ` Ergus
2020-10-28 16:29                                                                         ` Question collaborative editing - tools to connect Jean Louis
2020-10-28 16:40                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-28 17:13                                                                             ` Question collaborative editing - crdt.el, does it use SSL? Jean Louis
2020-10-28 21:51                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-28 22:36                                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-28 23:08                                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-29  5:43                                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-02  9:47                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-11-02 10:02                                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-28 17:20                                                                             ` Question collaborative editing - torify emacs Jean Louis
2020-10-28 18:01                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-28 18:56                                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-29  4:57                                                                             ` Question collaborative editing - tools to connect Richard Stallman
2020-10-31  4:16                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-31  5:33                                                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 18:21                                                                   ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Jean Louis
2020-10-06 18:20                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-07  0:00                                                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  1:50                                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-09  1:58                                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-09  2:12                                                                     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  2:42                                                                       ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-09  7:04                                                                         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  8:36                                                                           ` joakim
2020-10-09 13:33                                                                             ` Joe Corneli
2020-10-09 15:33                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-11 17:49                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-11 18:21                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 18:26                                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-11 18:56                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 19:57                                                                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-12  2:26                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-12  3:22                                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-12 14:40                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-12 16:53                                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 13:31                                                                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-11 18:40                                                                                 ` Joe Corneli via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-09 17:46                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-09 17:50                                                                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09 20:31                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-10 17:09                                                                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  7:09                                                                         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  5:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  3:10                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 16:37                                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2020-10-20 18:41                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-26 19:47                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-26 20:26                                                   ` too many Jean Louis
2020-10-28  4:45                                                   ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Richard Stallman
2020-10-28 15:08                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-28 16:20                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-28 16:33                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-28 16:59                                                           ` Jean Louis

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