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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316286 Archived-At: > On Feb 17, 2024, at 2:20=E2=80=AFPM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> From: JD Smith >> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 13:52:44 -0500 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >>>> On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:29=E2=80=AFPM, Eli Zaretskii wrot= e: >>>=20 >>> And in this case, we intend to move IDLWAVE out precisely because it is o= bsolete, >>=20 >> Not necessarily, depending on how one defines obsolete. Just =E2=80=9Cno l= onger worth keeping in core=E2=80=9D. >=20 > That's not my interpretation of your description of IDL state. Then I fear you may have misinterpreted me. Many astronomers and earth scie= ntists do still use it. A few with emacs. Maybe it=E2=80=99s a bit like Per= l that way. There=E2=80=99s a lot of legacy code around. So it=E2=80=99s pe= rfectly valuable to keep in ELPA, but IMO the cost/benefit no longer merits i= nclusion in core.=20