From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: endless version control debates [was Re: Using Git to manage your Emacs changes] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:52:21 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87aaswaf2t.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4A1FFF2C-5794-4D58-B26B-07CD7FC0BB74@gmail.com> <83d3xs4jw5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271958759 5291 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2010 17:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 22 19:52:38 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O50Zo-0002al-Jj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:52:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37536 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O50Zo-0002dg-1R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O50Zh-0002aj-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34149 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O50Zg-0002YZ-AZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O50Zd-0007ld-Nx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:28 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu ([18.9.25.13]:64015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O50Zd-0007lS-Kf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:25 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190d-b7bf0ae0000059a7-ae-4bd08cd83a80 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (MAILHUB-AUTH-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id 43.09.22951.8DC80DB4; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id o3MHqOBL002691; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-98-247-149-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.149.76]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id o3MHqL7m015016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:52:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124063 Archived-At: On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Leo wrote: > It might not be completely useless. Nothing stops emacs from using > multiple version control tools if a good synchronisation scheme can be > found. The point of choosing Bazaar was to give the support of `Emacs uses it'=20= and `Emacs developers use it' to the official GNU VCS system. Anything that encourages Emacs [developers] to use not-Bazaar hampers that goal. It follows simply and directly from this that the PtB are not especially = interested in supporting non-Bazaar VCS *use* for Emacs development, regardless of=20= how you get there. Nobody's going to come to your house and take away = your Emacs Developer badge, but that doesn't mean that they want to see the = debates, either. =20 It can be very hard for the sort of people who typically make good = developers=20 (be they programmers, debuggers, testers, power-users, etc) to accept=20 out-of-stream arguments, especially when they seem contrary to simple=20 technical-merit-based metrics, but the current status is: Bazaar was = chosen for=20 reasons other than pure technical merit, so technical merit arguments = are simply an irritation to almost everyone involved. As a practical matter, you = can probably=20 bring it up again after Emacs development, Bazaar, and all potential = alternatives=20 have matured for a while (I'd guess a year is probably a good = fencepost), but until then, the debates, discussions, data points, etc -- NO MATTER HOW TRUE = -- are simply irritants. Hold on to them, develop alternatives, jump into = Bazaar and shape it from the inside -- any of these are great. For now, for this, = debate is not a viable answer. I apologize if I've stepped on anyone's toes in saying this; it is not = my intention to=20 offend anyone. I'm speaking up because I have hope that a voice from = outside the debate will have a greater chance of being actually heard above the din. Thanks, everyone, for emacs; the last 20 years would certainly have = sucked without it. *Chad=