From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:22:46 -0800 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384888995 20535 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2013 19:23:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Christoph Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 19 20:23:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ViqtJ-0000Cs-1B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:23:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51252 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViqtI-0004Vs-Ge for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:23:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52445) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Viqt7-0004Vg-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:23:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Viqsw-0005IB-9M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:23:05 -0500 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu ([18.9.25.12]:43613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Viqsw-0005Hv-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:22:54 -0500 X-AuditID: 1209190c-b7f7f6d000000bbd-4f-528bba8b3082 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) (using TLS with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 74.8A.03005.C8ABB825; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:22:52 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id rAJJMpit019967; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:22:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.10] (71-217-109-214.tukw.qwest.net [71.217.109.214]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id rAJJMl6a007577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:22:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrCIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrNuzqzvIYPdNZovHC56wWsw4Pp3Z gclj56y77B5t08wCmKK4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mq69eMZYcIKj4lbbM5YGxmb2LkYODgkBE4ld Hyy7GDmBTDGJC/fWs4HYQgKzmSSerZDtYuQCsjcySsx9+ZQZwjnAJHHmzF52kCpmAS2JG/9e MoHYvAJ6EqsXn2QFGSosoCKx5hLYfDYBGaChGiAVnAKaErNut4DNZxFQlXiz7gwLzJSPq99B 2doSyxa+ZgZp5RWwkrjQHgCx9TGjxJNbjxhBakQEFCR+3VjGBnGzrMTu59+ZJzAKzkJy0Cwk B81CMnYBI/MqRtmU3Crd3MTMnOLUZN3i5MS8vNQiXUO93MwSvdSU0k2M4MCV5NnB+Oag0iFG AQ5GJR5eiQXdQUKsiWXFlbmHGCU5mJREeS/sAArxJeWnVGYkFmfEF5XmpBYfYpTgYFYS4a2p B8rxpiRWVqUW5cOkpDlYlMR5b3LYBwkJpCeWpGanphakFsFkZTg4lCR4u3cCNQoWpaanVqRl 5pQgpJk4OEGG8wANfw1Sw1tckJhbnJkOkT/FqCglzrsWJCEAksgozYPrhSWWV4ziQK8I88aA VPEAkxJc9yugwUxAg9klwQaXJCKkpBoYw5mNngUveSHnsHXvdNnnJn/Nw398i1t1VfLhT83J 0tKO3N2vNqVkSj46GPJiksurgr8Pr/C9flC1UzRzV1Kw7M/dl4TFf+h/PcPx47RFzKx7F9gy hDsszQ4c179n+qzyVhPrDP6PgY/nfdpnwvPXfkfq7Zumku2q/5bP5VyeIv6684mk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 18.9.25.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165400 Archived-At: On 19 Nov 2013, at 01:02, Christoph wrote: > I think two different problems have been mentioned here. One is = Wysiwyg-like features the other the possibility to be compatible with = other formats. For me the latter problem is much more crucial. Here is = the use case which may illustrate a typical(?) situation: >=20 > In academia (humanities branch!) the MS Word format is still the = "standard" when you exchange editable documents.=20 In this vein, it's worth noting that there are large fields (publishing, legal, several industrial sciences, etc) where MS Word's Reviewing, Track Changes, and Commenting features are mandatory; anything that doesn't support those features is a non-starter. Almost no Word-alikes support these features (well enough to interoperate with Word), increasing Word's lock-in. A big part of the problem is Word's continual changes in this area. It's hard to believe that this is accidental or that it will stop any time soon (especially given the horrors represented by Word's XML formats). I hope this helps, ~Chad=