From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the default for `send-mail-function' Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 17:50:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4E079767.30601@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309481504 13236 80.91.229.12 (1 Jul 2011 00:51:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs devel To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 01 02:51:41 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QcRxM-0005qL-PU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 02:51:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48408 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcRxM-0002yq-1d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:51:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56977) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcRwa-0002uq-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:50:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcRwY-0004f3-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu ([18.9.25.15]:56133) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QcRwV-0004eD-HD; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:50:47 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190f-b7c82ae000000a20-e4-4e0d19eac406 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 2A.43.02592.AE91D0E4; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p610oj6k025288; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:50:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.0.176] ([12.132.232.170]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p610ogYN007511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:50:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrAIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrPtKktfP4OhRfovHC56wWkxZspXd gcmjbZpZAGMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8bKxfvZC3pYKtZOmcfewDiZuYuRk0NCwETi4Oe/jBC2 mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQE9jFKrFq1kQXC2cAosfXgKjaQKiGBlUwSzUfMQGxhASuJO5MXsIDYvAKG Eks3tbOD2MwCWhI3/r1k6mLk4GATkAGaqgES5hQwkvi4bQZYmEVAVWLOLimIalWJ9W93QnXK S2x/O4cZYqKVxKW36xkhTmhnlrh0cR7YKhEBfomH634zgsyREJCVaFqWMYFRcBaSI2YhOWIW krELGJlXMcqm5Fbp5iZm5hSnJusWJyfm5aUW6Zro5WaW6KWmlG5iBAesJP8Oxm8HlQ4xCnAw KvHwFvTz+AmxJpYVV+YeYpTkYFIS5a0FhrsQX1J+SmVGYnFGfFFpTmrxIUYJDmYlEd5V1UDl vCmJlVWpRfkwKWkOFiVx3nLv/75CAumJJanZqakFqUUwWRkODiUJ3mCQoYJFqempFWmZOSUI aSYOTpDhPEDDHUBqeIsLEnOLM9Mh8qcYFaXEeV9JACUEQBIZpXlwvbCE8opRHOgVYV5HkHYe YDKC634FNJgJaPCFKC6QwSWJCCmpBkYTVtm/pzdnTjo1e+1PfnfPay9uP+rq6b227PvEhWa9 0i+C/fdtO6/qsqZZ6NSHQ3/YNT5V39m2sf7Qrm1X1if///ph97P5yUv5Y04KVT3sm79bstbD ukB5wd06+5taW18bp/y6JeAUL6nhcnKOrtXkOO8dN0sZ9tXmXL2p+YVBaadUgDTz X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141303 Archived-At: On Jun 30, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > The main reason for the change is that using a misconfigured MTA leads > to silently dropped mail which is *really bad*. > > Why doesn't it deliver a bounce message? How would it do that? It doesn't know about the user's (actual) external mail service, and the local system isn't configured to accept mail. Back when I had reason to look at such systems regularly, it was not unusual to find hundreds of such bounces in root's mbox. *Chad