From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5612CEA6.3010809@yandex.ru> <87egh95cze.fsf@gmail.com> <5612D36B.1030906@yandex.ru> <87a8rx5awg.fsf@gmail.com> <87a8rvu0ij.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143f2a6a5d3d8052177e527 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444173739 8209 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2015 23:22:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 23:22:19 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs development discussions Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 07 01:22:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjbYo-0007Y7-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 01:22:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54580 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjbYn-0000GK-A2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59929) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjbYZ-0000Fr-5o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjbYY-0004z7-9o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:22:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vk0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22b]:34058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjbYX-0004yW-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: by vkat63 with SMTP id t63so442887vka.1 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:22:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=g2MIfwle1YMSRn7F6VJ2qijr+p8mnVpN1S6EM0CafV8=; b=beuSgxzxhyF+sYs28gyv+s+fpTBbD52d6iX349dRz4j8vn/tH4YrgGcNjLpbhFRFev 5Wyjje0ztkYpkkzrT7i4ZgkoQDe3UiYwbareu8dFOyIWsLSTuFsIunMsA3HGaAkNDytr 6WDWASjNNOi5f59zgPOpRX/3mNlVLOcbunEwMO0MaX9xW9lQg9cQUScnVJNrKnRU0/T3 SnsrW15T7/wb2zXBzDo4yi6vEQwLbamjNKa7ScC1syHo68yxbh4NgcJkA9CL9seG4Eda sTOssnPjbah+A2sScoluRWhhtv7n6QS1tIgh3Gt73jJwT4wKgT05TDu65y+Iwzdv9drD MndQ== X-Received: by 10.31.49.10 with SMTP id x10mr20567169vkx.46.1444173721226; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.103.8.198 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: HEJahsR_5vnSFrJHmpLMSv2X9EU X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191029 Archived-At: --001a1143f2a6a5d3d8052177e527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:59 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > A. Emacs is only allowed to provide the feature for GCC, and must wait > until > GCC makes it available (if ever). > > B. Emacs can only offer the feature for other compilers too, but only > once > it is able to offer it for GCC. This means we are blocked on GCC > development before we can support other compilers. > > C. If Emacs can support the feature in a _general_ fashion -- so that GCC > could just as easily be supported as Clang -- then Clang support is > allowed before GCC support, assuming Clang has it and GCC doesn't (or > might never). > > D. Emacs is allowed to directly support Clang features that GCC never > will, > because this makes Emacs a better editor. > > I'm pretty sure D is out, based on RMS' past comments. I also think A is > out. > My question is whether Emacs project policy is B, C, or something more. I believe it is (B). Best, -K --001a1143f2a6a5d3d8052177e527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:59 PM, John Wiegley <johnw@n= ewartisans.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 A. Emacs is only allowed to provide the feature for GCC, and must wa= it until
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0GCC makes it available (if ever).

=C2=A0 B. Emacs can only offer the feature for other compilers too, but onl= y once
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it is able to offer it for GCC. This means we are block= ed on GCC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0development before we can support other compilers.

=C2=A0 C. If Emacs can support the feature in a _general_ fashion -- so tha= t GCC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0could just as easily be supported as Clang -- then Clan= g support is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0allowed before GCC support, assuming Clang has it and G= CC doesn't (or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0might never).

=C2=A0 D. Emacs is allowed to directly support Clang features that GCC neve= r will,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0because this makes Emacs a better editor.

I'm pretty sure D is out, based on RMS' past comments. I also think= A is out.
My question is whether Emacs project policy is B, C, or something more.

I believe it is (B).

Best,
-K
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