From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: To non-native English writers: expunging the solecism "This allows to do something." Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:27:30 +0600 Message-ID: References: <20160124210602.GA7711@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453786088 1460 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2016 05:28:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , "rms@gnu.org" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org Development" To: Rostislav Svoboda Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 26 06:28:08 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aNwAh-000218-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:28:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41977 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNwAg-00021L-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:28:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33653) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNwAT-00020v-D9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:27:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNwAS-0008TN-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:27:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]:36340) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNwAQ-0008T6-SB; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:27:51 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id h129so98960662lfh.3; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:27:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WJglMwZuoaZ+93BUmitRGwNQUqhcXbJKCRcjayvReI8=; b=PSLAIPHMxjsE1+MGlTQXHW6lhTG12kUzCnYYhJxLlYwBEjjJsjorFxS5kQCpVawFkQ VovyJrLOTOOA2pgsWRx2T4HHEuJVWJXRkA3LxGQ6rW+ytPlmAxn/ZfNvv5tgujMj4KEp ZuHSCFeQEXmYhv4Kw15ou4dxO+fa8JYHQehKs8R5Y+8TSCpAWTfap6NZvlT+DfB/jPjW uyvq2xKjcFPfhTGb3L1EdV2l6JXFV8nCjoYfoDVjaSJQ7JP5wxFQAd8GExudVFRkKsyX 56MnotSsNEm3Rbxr/f9M6krHkyky3u4MNTHYgaSbMV4B3mn8XVd98I2THpDj2dxRTM64 tfWQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WJglMwZuoaZ+93BUmitRGwNQUqhcXbJKCRcjayvReI8=; b=Toy5i2OmEjc38AxtxvwugNJi+/rI1utcwtTqyOXWhDNiVk+jUvXQwGZSqNd126/5z0 lSNd9hVd4v7LxzFsjflRK2ZPZja2VgImUpHe0oafr4Kdl8irri1P3EMQ6NRegjae2cVg GHF1l7i3JS+bynUlOxsXZagbzc0bd7PDGcZhdf7zN0oDDT/cfTATm0vSP0F1pSiQGUyi iyRc0NQqDewvBk3GCZFaVqqeHwFcPT+xUzJeagY525WhDqqLFwkps66kDYbakJ+WM1Sp ztlYYyxXWIpdl+grq+WK5Ffk9bpAVxjNTp0JGQ7u+nBHVNGl4RxCp2hdlET3SD2Z6/KX XRlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS1Loze2dT8w8p8oOTebHvtxZ2nqtfjRfh6EsO6rYCQAQXLY6IMJGJuuDQ3iPvJ5u9wmBWiXgt2pFq8kg== X-Received: by 10.25.154.20 with SMTP id c20mr6473066lfe.79.1453786069891; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:27:49 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.160.72 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:27:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3kP7fb21wkRvo3NPw_kzAO7Tdmk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198830 Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Rostislav Svoboda wrote: > For Slavic language natives like me and Marcin, constructions like > "This allows to do something" work perfectly well. > Sorry guys :) > We simply don't find it to be that important to specify who or what > will do things. You know... lazy evaluation at it's best :) Yes, and it may be a reason we can agree that something should be done and never get around to actually doing it, because everybody assumes someone else will. English has grammar that enforces[1] specification of the doer =E2=80=94 le= t=E2=80=99s not throw away its benefits. [1]: would enforce, given a good linter > That's an uphill struggle, Alan :) Besides, believe me there's nothing > to fear about :) Free your mind! :) I, for one, welcome our grammar nazi overlords. Alan, please continue to educate us about proper use of English when occasion arises.