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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264348 Archived-At: On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 02:11, Matt Armstrong wrote: > What if having a key binding was just one possible way to make a command > easy and convenient to find and invoke. What if there were other equally > good ways, and we all thought it would be strange to bind a precious key > to a command if it were rarely used in practice? > > Case in point: if a command isn't bound to a key it doesn't show up in > help, so there is this pressure to bind everything that could possibly > be useful to some person some day to some key. What if instead help > showed all the interactive commands provided by the mode? What if M-x > were smarter about highlighting mode specific commands? > > Perhaps exploring these kinds of ideas would be useful. The mechanism you=E2=80=99re describing is called a menu. Case in point: In almost every GUI program that follows the CUA guidelines, you can invoke the File | Open command by pressing Alt+F O. In some TUI programs you cannot use Alt+ to open a first-level menu, but you can do like F9 O C for Options | Configuration. In Emacs, however, the actual GTK menu does not support this kind of usage. (=E2=80=98tmm-menubar=E2=80=99 does.)