From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'. Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:54:21 +0600 Message-ID: References: <87vb98csu1.fsf@red-bean.com> <87h9kscqig.fsf@red-bean.com> <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2poba1s.fsf@red-bean.com> <83si4cjnyw.fsf@gnu.org> <87twosp5ke.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fv0cm64g.fsf@gmx.us> <87si4bsktk.fsf@red-bean.com> <87wptnlbl6.fsf@gmx.us> <87pozfl2ut.fsf@gmx.us> <87d1vfl17p.fsf@gmx.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447340119 16170 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2015 14:55:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Artur Malabarba , Emacs developers To: Rasmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 15:55:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwtHF-00073F-Cn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:55:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47124 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwtHE-0000fy-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:55:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54893) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwtGv-0000Ze-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:54:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwtGs-0004Y8-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:54:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]:33500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwtGr-0004Xc-OC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:54:41 -0500 Original-Received: by lbbkw15 with SMTP id kw15so36500030lbb.0 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 06:54:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AXh8xICBV72D7jPo6+jo7HOI2ivoiCeCjpcPngSfbf8=; b=xp956Os+hQbXqpKoU/4fwpXe9eH8948dyk6oUoZ3ol0/5+S6in+QSMEEdta5fhF/xe yJZMaOcjcX90AQdN82in4uNPLoO/4NV3hC+vtbuelEAw2x+Z815Kni7UgA9sfrbuofz9 XfZpM1X67yu9fnv5h79Mh2tVnySXNk1s4R0E5AcAM5mNJDMaD5YAdtqWDcggZE28o0od 9SZiul7xZjgnVuL/CDKpyy11HN+3vPDq2PXgd6AD2zsZOiyJq39h8KWfSaug/Vl/lB+2 Lcs+VgQojDXK/0AdyvEV3WRDgpSUmT9jbJZEr9l2kNLOvSn+FLHSV2GG1sCikVF71HUR aMqA== X-Received: by 10.112.150.168 with SMTP id uj8mr7544394lbb.22.1447340080926; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 06:54:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.212.43 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 06:54:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87d1vfl17p.fsf@gmx.us> X-Google-Sender-Auth: YsdJy2SK1bGOxXzQJq_BLPd0k9k X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194231 Archived-At: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Rasmus wrote: >> Arguably, they should be solved by adding that heuristic, not by >> breaking open-line and/or newline-and-indent. > > Perhaps, until such a fix exists, to this and any similar problem, Emacs > can afford to offer "dumb" keys alongside indenting keys. Possibly, if Emacs offers =E2=80=9Cdumb=E2=80=9D keys, no one will be suffi= ciently annoyed to actually implement the fix.