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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324925 Archived-At: On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 at 23:46, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I meant the non-modifier keys. When some OS feature redefines a key, > low-level events will not know that, and will still consider the key > labeled 'a' as 'a', even though I might have switched the keyboard to > another language, where the key labeled 'a' actually produces a > completely different character, say, '=D7=A9'. >From where I stand, that would be a feature, in some carefully chosen cases. When I=E2=80=99m switched to a layout where the =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99 = key produces an =E2=80=98=D1=84=E2=80=99 character, or an =E2=80=98=CE=B1=E2=80=99, or a =E3=81=A1, I=E2=80=99d stil= l want Ctrl+this key to behave as C-a.