From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:38:49 +0600 Message-ID: References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fhamxwq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457696366 31499 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2016 11:39:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers , Phillip Lord To: Filipp Gunbin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 11 12:39:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeLPd-0004Kv-MZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:39:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54276 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeLPX-0004MY-Se for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:39:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeLPU-0004MQ-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:39:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeLPT-00061K-5X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:39:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]:34428) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeLPS-00060d-TP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:39:11 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lb0-x230.google.com with SMTP id xr8so146905950lbb.1 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:39:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IaHe8pY4mFsVvSzqfrl7JRfbxkmoVupSQLOBp4KL8yE=; b=CLK7Qg87eD/zWYZYfzD5GO18VM6kR4umOz/qDOsfa11RzLOHfq6KgJSRSMzBvZQbZ8 Ainw3hmvQqTrQN2BynOeC2EHQkuO+ub/MOSVIZvg5+ZO8sqTaVw6bfMbmxV2oyj1bKhq tL8iweh1gF1aE80Cv+G48z2nGRQzqOFpT2jhKyfX/fUj6cZVik9xaE63EYpPnrXVKF3d gdcS9h4cSl5I9KazfOX9ec2usGec0Wm/q/bt4p0D7Kk107XtP6lPGp1trfQa6DcIdqhV 5G4aBjStSUvK2EHEPziB8prpA3FZe8Ylf+O4DAUGfTG/rS4VTbv2AHCOy2QR3uwEtdqk ednA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IaHe8pY4mFsVvSzqfrl7JRfbxkmoVupSQLOBp4KL8yE=; b=T3B6j5jQEYKMzLrSa2o9hxE/mYEfOT7uRVU84+71w2z5w6Sw4uQWRx6x0l/y0MQEqk a6bgDFcIUHS0YBklkwe/TLj3gnu7/hKW1TkVlvGB3oogbq2DX9GkLDh4E7UkG+m8fl5r 4t0QuHumGow0rQnMGM5paL420CZBbEL3Qfr9hN/djZ/178w54pevu6+Z73AiimDfGSh7 c2W60y4SQDCPiFpROO81Jlcz8WpBR5fd3HO7f8kyNYfW4co/6IzNXmKQXgOWa7JMRGD9 /i0vPvKsgm6JcMJIvKqoP0Fck+K5ME7ErRsPZTCoKSK3iSoONSnL6u6E3L1JUH/hMpdh TGAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJkqUHyNSPn3FRQyP3GFMVGya+TzvPPj/o+8xthgvF6NrHuY/+w9WoQe+INjw2qynG+/zF/M2e/rW5IOg== X-Received: by 10.113.3.6 with SMTP id bs6mr3117955lbd.114.1457696349396; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:39:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.254.164 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:38:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: -lry6syV9LkZL6RC7q-u41CSmJs X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201456 Archived-At: On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Filipp Gunbin wrote: >> L235: If you are using a graphical display, such as X or MS-Windows, >> there should be a tall rectangular area called a scroll bar on one >> side of the Emacs window. >> >> If you are using a graphical display? I mean, of course, you are using a >> graphical display? > > What's wrong with this? A user may be in text console. There=E2=80=99s nothing wrong with mentioning that Emacs *can also* functio= n in a text console, with several major restrictions (namely, the keyboard input has an additional indirection layer, and the sets of fonts and colors are severely reduced). But it is reasonable to assume and encourage that a novice user will try the GUI version first. Also, pretty much all potential new users (i.e. the target audience of the tutorial) already know what a scrollbar is.