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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266854 Archived-At: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 05:45, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > I think something like this is only worthwhile if we were changing a > whole bunch of bindings. Like not just C-o, but also C-n and C-s, to > their "other software" counterparts. More importantly, we should have a bulletproof way to move things off C-x and C-c. The workaround we have in cua-mode is time-sensitive and, depending on network lag, I regularly get false negatives (switching buffers on =E2=80=98C-x =E2=86=92=E2=80=99 when I meant to cut and move rig= ht) and false positives (copy and overwrite region on =E2=80=98C-c C-c >=E2=80=99 when I = meant to =E2=80=98python-indent-shift-right=E2=80=99).