From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:26:39 +0700 Message-ID: References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539591943 5763 195.159.176.226 (15 Oct 2018 08:25:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , noeltaylo@gmail.com, right.ho@gmail.com, Emacs developers To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 15 10:25:39 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gByC2-0001OK-4p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:25:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50995 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gByE8-0008N3-E7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 04:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gByDG-0008M3-DB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 04:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gByDF-0004ex-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 04:26:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi1-x244.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::244]:38118) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gByDE-0004bU-Fb; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 04:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi1-x244.google.com with SMTP id u197-v6so14396892oif.5; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WarxdsSDJDyMBElEfVaRcp13VpaV1y5NAuLggBJzdJ4=; b=VSfX0OqQCbCzw8quPbqZKGniOQo36fEHNzsNdcpsCQCNJoZNPq22G9CJiMPDt0mgj0 0jfghSs8fzW5sQxBIAcrrwsYs70dB23+RObR8Dep0/e4fZrcwmutYrFHwNTQb2PbWwOz ppMOUf8i25YqasJTpEaWP1CkqQX8ex8Ujkil6jXF4H9t/W9JObt9A7jtEcmQ8LAsAJ59 LhYMHRWj4Y+CNExZFKrCnED9MXl7l1YWMrJkH7Bj8uK9Xv5UwC8ilrXo5+cD5GnbEQHo FXMh+tyBL4yTr2OLq6DPr3mWxwSdRODIGnPumqgSBhGZoxFA/xquVOv+vweCAtErpiHr lANw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WarxdsSDJDyMBElEfVaRcp13VpaV1y5NAuLggBJzdJ4=; b=DdsvpBlSNDG1lGgDRqmdZ3ipR4rCsSVxSC1W4CoorImJe/VDGs3Re1z6Qo8gqm8Q5y T4KlHAVtdxetXYG0zKTLO+K+q+bmZJDAudi1YlpMUw71rSfcJbwZvgCANIg8ebp4r4Rt DQxLE76l9gsHF6Ndm0Yb7KlGSuCcECTwltFOOMRvMThkfKtVupjQu/Q/xXGa6ifFgdD0 cEAUX3mtut/SNppbHLbMdBy6hdC6hkFEJPIShw0zuDTPibIgwZeeM2i7xXcIxFlr3RDL PaWsjh3yzAbS8BfvoboTY2YbG6TO95tgJW3DofBooP4/EZr31wwGqU6Bw+BqOmgQiayA eZ8A== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohF6UrQlnGaW0SROQq96kRFjtFQHwYgl2VPVGn/qNGCcE9uhN/d TuffQ3uK0dqwWLFhuBJMu155hOKIOv6aHJCGT6s3Gg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61Jek5wedIIzSA+sD54uD/JP4HjOalf/ZGM1Ui0qhhlVGFHLTRmpqw/DeOgJk4ZhLYxd4ZJjyciaW9mwwRo7RA= X-Received: by 2002:aca:d084:: with SMTP id j4-v6mr8949766oiy.170.1539592011537; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:26:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::244 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230397 Archived-At: On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 12:44 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > I have nothing in principle against switching to an Undo/Redo system. > But there is an obstacle: finding a key for the Redo command. Simple: C-z for Undo, C-S-z and possibly C-y for Redo, in cua-mode, on the grounds that these are the most common bindings for this functionality in pretty much all other software. (C-y will conflict with yank but cua-mode binds C-v to cua-paste which is a close analog.) For text terminal non-cua users, maybe negative universal argument to the undo command?