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From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
To: Protesilaos Stavrou <info@protesilaos.com>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: solarized
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:14:25 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP_d_8WtwOhY07eLS_G0Zegbuvgak6pvU1V6V=dr8ostXwuwXg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mu1ra1ej.fsf@protesilaos.com>

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 15:44, Protesilaos Stavrou <info@protesilaos.com> wrote:

> Solarized fails on the accessibility front (not its designer's fault, as
> that was not its goal).  Many colour combinations are well below the
> minimum 4.5:1 threshold.  The following table shows the relative
> luminance of all colours of the palette compared with the four base
> background values (table's image with colour previews also attached).

A color theme does not have to provide 4.5:1 contrast for each-to-each
color combination. Only for those that are actually used to display
text.

The important ones are:

* base dark colors against base lightest color
* base light colors against base darkest color
* accent colors against base lightest and base darkest colors

Slightly less important:

* base dark colors against base second-lightest color
* base light colors against base second-darkest color
* accent colors against base second-lightest and second-darkest

> | SOLARIZED | HEX     | #002b36 | #073642 | #eee8d5 | #fdf6e3 |
> |-----------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------|
> | base03    | #002b36 |         |         |   12.25 |   13.92 |
> | base02    | #073642 |         |         |   10.61 |   12.05 |
> | base01    | #586e75 |         |         |    4.39 |    4.99 |
> | base00    | #657b83 |         |         |    3.64 |    4.13 |
> | base0     | #839496 |    4.75 |    4.11 |         |         |
> | base1     | #93a1a1 |    5.61 |    4.86 |         |         |
> | base2     | #eee8d5 |   12.25 |   10.61 |         |         |
> | base3     | #fdf6e3 |   13.92 |   12.05 |         |         |
> | yellow    | #b58900 |    4.68 |    4.05 |    2.62 |    2.98 |
> | orange    | #cb4b16 |    3.26 |    2.82 |    3.76 |    4.27 |
> | red       | #dc322f |    3.25 |    2.81 |    3.77 |    4.29 |
> | magenta   | #d33682 |    3.30 |    2.86 |    3.71 |    4.21 |
> | violet    | #6c71c4 |    3.43 |    2.97 |    3.57 |    4.06 |
> | blue      | #268bd2 |    4.08 |    3.53 |    3.00 |    3.41 |
> | cyan      | #2aa198 |    4.75 |    4.12 |    2.58 |    2.93 |
> | green     | #859900 |    4.69 |    4.06 |    2.62 |    2.97 |

Also, Solarized picked a design decision of using the same accent
colors against dark and light backgrounds. This makes it hard to
satisfy the 4.5:1 requirement, because if accent is at least 4.5:1 to
darkest and lightest is at least 4.5:1 to accent, then lightest must
be at least 20.25:1 to darkest, and the chosen Solarized lightest and
darkest do not satisfy that. So, within the given limitations,
Solarized does well enough.

(Disclosure: Personally, I do not like or use Solarized, because of
its heavy tinting of the light background to yellow. Light backgrounds
are supposed to resemble paper, and yellowish paper looks cheap and/or
old to me.)



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-15  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-14  3:48 solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-15  8:29 ` solarized Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-15  9:14   ` Yuri Khan [this message]
2020-09-15 10:16     ` solarized Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-15 13:39       ` solarized Theodor Thornhill
2020-09-15 14:05         ` solarized Gerry Agbobada
2020-09-15 14:40           ` Theme generator (was: solarized) Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15 16:26             ` Theme generator Arthur Miller
2020-09-15 20:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15 20:35                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15 20:44                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-16  1:49             ` Theme generator (was: solarized) Tim Cross
2020-09-17  0:25               ` chad
2020-09-17 14:25                 ` Theme generator Arthur Miller
2020-09-16  5:03             ` Theme generator (was: solarized) Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 20:28         ` solarized Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-15 20:50           ` solarized Praharsh Suryadevara
2020-09-16  5:05       ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-16  8:27         ` solarized Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-16 13:38           ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-17  3:57           ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-17  7:53             ` solarized Gian Uberto Lauri
2020-09-17 15:56               ` solarized Drew Adams
2020-09-18  4:08               ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-18  4:08               ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-18 16:44                 ` solarized Drew Adams
2020-09-17 14:11             ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-17 23:39               ` solarized Tim Cross
2020-09-18  4:13                 ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-18  5:49                   ` solarized Tim Cross
2020-09-18  6:43                   ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-16 13:06         ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-17  3:53           ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 11:26   ` solarized Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 12:15     ` solarized Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-15 12:56       ` solarized Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-16  1:30         ` solarized Tim Cross
2020-09-16 10:21           ` solarized Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-16 12:53             ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-16 22:09             ` solarized Tim Cross
2020-09-17 14:29               ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-18 13:32               ` solarized Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 15:53                 ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-18 16:03                 ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-19  4:00                 ` solarized Richard Stallman
2020-09-20 20:18                   ` solarized Bozhidar Batsov
2020-09-15 12:05   ` WCAG AAA and Emacs themes Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 20:22     ` Protesilaos Stavrou
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-16 18:07 solarized Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-17 14:55 ` solarized Arthur Miller
2020-09-17 15:27 ` solarized Arthur Miller

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