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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255042 Archived-At: On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 01:44, Drew Adams wrote: > > By CUA, Show/Hide should be a top-level menu named View. > > Really? Even for setting persistent preferences? > I can imagine using `View' for changing something > for the time being, but not necessarily for > setting preferences (persistent configuration). Yes. In many applications, View is the place to go if you want to toggle any optional UI parts (toolbars, sidebars, sometimes menu bar). These toggles are usually persisted immediately. It would be nice if the CUA specification was available somewhere on the Web. Unfortunately, Wikipedia only links to an incomplete Wayback Machine mirror that does not have the page on the View menu, so I can=E2=80=99t quote from there.