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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248714 Archived-At: On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Tutorials are generally read only once, > when you first familiarize yourself with a topic and generally want > just the "taste" of it. Once you are past that step, there's no > reason to go back to the tutorial, and the reference manual is the > main tool for learning and doing. > > And yet you insist on seeing "tutorial-style" lists each time you need > some API, but don't really know which. Why? this doesn't sound like > what people use tutorials for. API lists are not tutorials. They are the reference manual, just presented in a very condensed form. A user who is moderately experienced with an API but has not committed it into memory will sometimes forget exact names of functions, and a concise API list will refresh his/her memory just enough to continue coding.