From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoveribility [Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs]] Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 00:54:28 +0700 Message-ID: References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <87wo5mc04t.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="34905"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Joost Kremers , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: "Alfred M. 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249527 Archived-At: On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 00:36, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > I can see how wanting to rename capitalize to titleize makes people > cry from the Emacs lisp perspective and how it feels silly from the > "rest of the languages" perspective (that you have "titleize" but not > "capitalize"). > > I think it makes people cry from an English language perspective > too... One is an actual word, the other isn't! > > It also is misleading, since it will lower case all words follow the > first one, where in an actual title one would expect things like > subjects to be capitalize. E.g, the chapter title "Strings and > Characters" -- we do not want it to be "Strings and characters"! On the other hand, capitalizing each word in a title is a peculiarity of English and a few other languages, and even there the na=C3=AFve approach of capitalizing every word does not yield the grammatically correct result.