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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264211 Archived-At: On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 07:37, Gregory Heytings wrote: > For example you can move all C-x > bindings to F7 with (progn (define-key global-map (kbd "") ctl-x-map) > (define-key global-map (kbd "C-x") nil)). Does it work that easily though? I might like to do that to C-x and C-c so that I could bind those to Cut and Copy[^1]. But no: $ emacs -Q (define-key global-map (kbd "") ctl-x-map) ;; C-x C-e (define-key global-map (kbd "C-x") #'kill-region) ;; f7 C-e (+ 2 2) ;; C-x C-e =E2=87=92 no effect; f7 C-e =E2=87=92 4 C-r buffer RET C-S-right C-x Expected: the word is killed. Observed: I get a =E2=80=9CC-x-=E2=80=9D prompt in the minibuffer, indicati= ng C-x is still acting as a prefix key. Indeed, pressing C-h reveals a number of C-x 8 =E2=80=A6 bindings in key translations, and a bunch of C-x @ =E2=80= =A6 bindings in function key map translations. M-x hl-lock-mode RET C-s define-key M-C-B C-x w . Expected: =E2=80=9Cdefine-key=E2=80=9D is killed and replaced with =E2=80= =9Cw.=E2=80=9D. Observed: =E2=80=98highlight-symbol-at-point=E2=80=99 picks up =E2=80=9Cdef= ine-key=E2=80=9D and highlights its all occurrences. [^1]: Yes, I know of and use cua-mode. No, it=E2=80=99s not satisfying. Because with all this pandemic work-from-home, my Emacs is over there at my office, and it=E2=80=99s displaying its frames on my X server here at= my home[^2], and network lag interferes with the timeout-based heuristic that causes cua-mode to cut where I intended to do a prefix C-x, or vice versa, to switch buffers when I intended to cut and then move point left or right. [^2]: Yes, I know about Tramp, but have not made it part of my workflow, partially because I=E2=80=99m unsure if eglot will work over tram= p.