From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Modernize frame-title-format: "%b - GNU Emacs" Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 02:55:11 +0700 Message-ID: References: <86d03bpqsw.fsf@protonmail.com> <4276dbad-f8ed-4a5d-8960-800b4b059a61@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="978"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Wayne Harris , Emacs developers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 28 21:56:16 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kBkTv-000090-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 21:56:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38588 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kBkTu-0001YI-QO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:56:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49276) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kBkT9-000117-F6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:55:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2a]:46603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kBkT7-0008Do-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:55:27 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com with SMTP id o2so27408vke.13 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BDdyoor3HJQOdSfyh+zjfPdtWey4FhoVF1Zu/56xONw=; b=YFh0/d3EAE4AD374DknZu5fdxf4SWOTr72K1ahGjhhiy1056qRZ66NM5eqGF/8rzPt OlOOM/VUcfST2t1NNZxVmxvUNdrydIKOfqXTvYEYcESGRxZITxP8Z6W5rEYkCHVO8N9A 9qBA/vTsGK4ANSr6c0Ffll2VXa9W2I7Ngr7gyPcW6YSEeUkQtB7OlOfTRkLH+tcphP9X qXPjinKxwNQm+ILeG7IyKeo6bBjoghmr2u9QbnveqDkjbnwcXWjdffLYMEq7spzGBqML +iBQtNprUyuWFu3GS30RPTW09cACSLRz5Q0EbPl5xqMxt86yXRBoiusOHKr1IMRFJEtS GVqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BDdyoor3HJQOdSfyh+zjfPdtWey4FhoVF1Zu/56xONw=; b=JwqAIGEZl7R1V5FjWNHc1WPI2q6GkCsq/mOC5/ZaNbc2Lr+FprNWI33Cp5jzxqVhJ/ gIwu7QaPFIgjLONiUx0VCgTjC4BPjkH7KgYPKBFmXShjGiFe4qSyAHWWS4gkA3YhA9cw EmNGYRmJ2SNsNCYglFVqHY7cfJS+LBX7EKw/QnImR+M+kD9LwiJOqZJp1qIjhHuEUle0 MfFLMMdg5wBPWCa0u2nyUV1Yt/sPmOjV8SZeBSlZX/rIjo/StgFc++0rK7Rk1N1HXhGL 33JtvdugT3/4AyfqFUA5tmOg9bOgZwU2sMQlId7fUpZj+h+KrXyAOvP9AXE019qduU7G Ge5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532JEMeh4EdAcf6AekOZ6IMouQD81JfAi7LlTbB5ejnw2mHaWiqm cUoqec9bXw4bb2qqeb6pNyPqBPYfzC5sTpTN16Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyfsIvcQFGK5ZpVttHLMneiMFi8Rjsn6q6Q6/OxRgdNmNpNmEXq13Co6Q+Dz7PmshC54wslyQUWFJLO439Xvlk= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:3f93:: with SMTP id m141mr482085vka.66.1598644522643; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 12:55:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4276dbad-f8ed-4a5d-8960-800b4b059a61@default> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2a; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254363 Archived-At: On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 02:03, Drew Adams wrote: > > The name of the application in the title is useful. It helps you pick > > the Emacs window out of multiple applications operating on the same > > file. For example, a Dired buffer showing a directory and Thunar > > showing the same directory. > > > > This is important in contexts where the window contents are not > > visible, e.g. a taskbar showing minimized windows, or a > > tiling/tabbing/stacking window manager such as i3 showing a single > > window in the stack and the titles of all other windows in the same > > stack. > > The discussion is about the _default_ frame title. > Users can define their own title formatting. Users should not have to customize the title for the common case. Which I believe to be multiple applications on the desktop. > How common is the use of multiple applications > (in separate window-mgr windows) for the same > file or directory (or other argument)? > > (Not a rhetorical question - that's never been my > experience.) > > Wrt your examples of a file or dir, showing the > buffer name should be even more specific, and > even better distinguish from some other app > window for the same file or dir, no? Especially > if the other app puts its app name first in the > title. All well-behaved applications in many desktops (Windows, XFCE, GNOME, KDE) show the document name and their own application name in the title bar. It=E2=80=99s a convention, and it=E2=80=99s useful because this = way application authors do not have to consider whether a document name alone is enough for the user to distinguish the window. Somebody has already thought this through and decided that both components are useful.