From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:26:17 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <831tnrr8pm.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw6fpllq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419319593 11318 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 07:26:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , Tom , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 08:26:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3JrN-00067B-VS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:26:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43387 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3JrN-0006cc-2x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:26:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3JrK-0006cX-E0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:26:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3JrJ-0001is-JB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:26:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]:33455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3JrI-0001iQ-8u; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:26:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r2so6381469igi.3; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:26:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dfh4F+jX8xM/T7eDGV1ISeipWn37OaGyUKSDXsCFFQM=; b=sma9Rp6fqrbCURyocbUZsW0PbmT6+6bshTgFPIvgUpFussGFexythkPpfddxqtFA6j ImIISdDFL1H7eAcdp9Osq0p3q+RSqgzkH31Q0bfXHbTT0QkIPE/qaOVK94mApa0cL4B6 4SQsEb8E1Ms7LPc2lOUdK1HDdlg5jaks+ELDAkoZ0rb5LEwlHFgqQSe2l3u5Jr8bbWDh jEhIP5+roeDLCbixdBV3BenFOabkVlNa1U/vrlMz1ooIIugLTlyrloy32/G394rUmHyD gOp9BYZewNXPG/uZVYDuNufnoEP+0EqyqCi5HiGBU+7l8bsMjWCGHAkgY9W/6AUkTZcg hTeQ== X-Received: by 10.50.29.107 with SMTP id j11mr19653989igh.32.1419319578304; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:26:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.107.48.82 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:26:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83mw6fpllq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: tqwSv8EDbUbWp9OJt4_CS-O_Oxs X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180542 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The >> question =E2=80=9Chow do I do X=E2=80=9D does not always mean =E2=80=9Ch= ow do I do X using >> features I already have installed=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 rather frequently i= t means =E2=80=9Cwhat >> can I install in order to do X=E2=80=9D. > > That's a far cry from your original statement, see above. I'm > guessing that Emacs belongs to the features that are installed on your > system, yes? Emacs does. Ten thousand packages for Emacs do not, yet. Example: I want to be able to perform automated refactoring of Python code. The answer I=E2=80=99m seeking is =E2=80=9Cgo install the ropemacs pa= ckage=E2=80=9D but Info won=E2=80=99t find that. >> > I encourage you (or anyone else) to enhance info.el > You could start with HTML output of makeinfo, if that makes the job > easier. I don't think anyone will mind. The HTML output of makeinfo already works for me well enough. I just choose to view it in Firefox rather than Emacs and cope with Google=E2=80= =99s automatic indexes instead of hand-tuned Info indexes.