From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:30:29 +0700 Message-ID: References: <0E591E8B-FD55-4829-8421-6F2C02AFD20C@mit.edu> <83eejenvy2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5998"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Jean Louis , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 25 11:32:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kskOL-0001TF-9b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:32:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37858 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kskOK-0003q4-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 05:32:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kskMw-0003GU-Dl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 05:30:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2a]:41678) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kskMs-0005O1-LL; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 05:30:46 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com with SMTP id p7so2359641vsf.8; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 02:30:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TTfVhux8AmWVD3YETGLN2g7To5TvaXBx52wxLETTgV4=; b=WCkGtUR9D0rVbNUcWhDpp6wjPqftFUSAIPiEXdbk7rHZnaB4DPu5AHAWk8BzzcifbW PCkrhlQI1XmIOsHoliedGVlt2v2Qrn18ik0M/g12NInvTwNro7UEzne6rKELK/DoGjWD fQy8hd/L9gxhcZclYHEW6HyljfAy+7qBkwySgMAUzSu2uTTr7yUREMbTM0GBOq1cWUn0 nwnMq1A8iWQiSFjd+aADzvREi+EVWBAJENrGy3Et1Ug9X7icUbWzYDsAMYKhbZkVvSHZ 2VqXkKHGtdAzmH/dBoMDUisoOhnmSkHpf1uERV7A/7ohjXXxzm6auw+ip+LmpE79xbGz bIVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TTfVhux8AmWVD3YETGLN2g7To5TvaXBx52wxLETTgV4=; b=pdTtvVvMfCLF/mZW+15jtWe97HlrDgq16u7tBbWvp4COa/fnzYq9ZdxOIx58ce8pjA 5ka6qQJvujlyl8oOtA1yklXDTBF5TyMw0cQBf1yFliswk4PUmmvDYuVdrhxTCeilv458 NZ6TRMgOsLP1IJDzB9wKmpVQlHTF3VKzfkzTamRnCqmjD2Zqkr8fJWnzj3ozyFSHfAoV qQz7ctVqYRnXOzemLNt6wOMxGFuTuk7BJPVGzs8ldBxa9ciW7GOdg9eZjtjNWZEGnNNw 26Vs7dI5fvI+qyBbVOlGumMXJYnksMqaEANvsp5rF6D/awpO1xzYckSvSNHnou/6cUrb xtFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533SkocMoelCmYBrzNQO0FzCDVgiJMMPm0FoBYdLKIN9c7WQPgDk bnRYANAd06rbKg4J4sb9G0AyXVQSDlybedT3mBAIm3ZcWto= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwO/3sgKxRjyTJhkaxq4aIPYiM6qSJFtS/hd3+sISAiopTephQhwO4TVkyEQdBZpF1aVcN7517uzKLSb8fecXU= X-Received: by 2002:a67:fdcb:: with SMTP id l11mr22926920vsq.38.1608892240796; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 02:30:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83eejenvy2.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2a; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-xe2a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261730 Archived-At: On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 at 15:17, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I think you underestimate the amount of pressure applied on any > J.R. Hacker having a daytime job to use MS Office. You cannot be a > useful and appreciated part of an organization without having to use > those tools, because all the correspondence and all the documentation > is based on that. As a single data point, I have not seen a Word document passed in a mail attachment in a long time. Most collaboration is now happening in Google Documents (and Sheets), Dropbox Paper, and Notion. I.e.: systems where multiple participants can edit and/or comment the same document simultaneously.