From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:22:12 +0700 Message-ID: References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539674449 32192 195.159.176.226 (16 Oct 2018 07:20:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , noeltaylo@gmail.com, right.ho@gmail.com, Emacs developers To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 16 09:20:44 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gCJek-0008FZ-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:20:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCJgq-0003Ue-NW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 03:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43870) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCJgj-0003UU-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 03:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCJgi-0000f8-22 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 03:22:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x343.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::343]:35981) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCJge-0000GO-Dk; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 03:22:40 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x343.google.com with SMTP id x4so20101363otg.3; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 00:22:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NSjIPjWCD7k9L6utmo8U0ye0Gg5CW64nI665vZe8gR4=; b=WFYl9uDJA9hHL/u4YFTUifquI9TH6KEoKqx1j2lKXrf48xZ48dqoqyDiI6SDQVzSqM NB/oymO61yfmorbOdhNfksMvVjEnsW9enJqo165tYpXi7VDI8DtT6KCP3JDyfdNzX6v/ D3QynYt1wOY6/J0rek9SiYnpzY4uJ7zqODzKpUxOvVGhEvOvwAgn+uMdN/XAVXMwxZWt Fti+IiHfXDi9trIvlLk/49ToztFeV5NyCKpWJCWdP+kxGdAkeHljXIG4xJt/dbNtBJKs cceffDFMr1vZ1SVZAYrfMYA22+ABVhIU4VP3lnUqGx87aIX79cy5lgz1owVVEh1WChdJ SbkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NSjIPjWCD7k9L6utmo8U0ye0Gg5CW64nI665vZe8gR4=; b=jaFh7l0+mzLSTcn38OMUdP4v2wHOC5fSdvPvCfijzv1ovxRG8FLo02Iq16NDhZs3u6 czljV+rGJLrgMVkhxH+WsKXiSEVLl07pjC4hbtAfPLYqiDSuwdHlh0z/tEZIelYHREtN RjUEhzFB+CZ/hAwx99H64aahTDf9uPIv3BmQsll9q52gUhPT/U4YmosCBkgscrlBsEfw FX0loQO6RTopUiWKWOPR/wk/MDxDpcyhP7Ga3oB6TEf//mRZSC9sRt1ThYYoxow0i6y2 URCve6oqfDg9dcFpU/dOiJhmPn2K+lbGs3P/ivEWSWoO8lwMDSSFgpuH7M81WxSb/c92 9hzA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoiraKH0mZNv5VuGCs5tSoP4S7lwhDphPOf2bQ880CIClZByahnL 34Ctyy0beEScHRb1tCRkglQo2bnscTGHhYNHJtxh5g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV6007Ldg+FnO6JhkM98eGxBiGl5wncdKsq1fPKg16fqP9tYugqKcxVS0+3aJuKDvCD57W59+iBSQjas1zLpZsh0= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:49ac:: with SMTP id g44mr13888864otf.198.1539674544595; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 00:22:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::343 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230410 Archived-At: On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:44 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > > Simple: C-z for Undo, C-S-z and possibly C-y for Redo, in cua-mode, > > C-z is an important Emacs command. To change it would hurt anyone. > > CUA mode is not the main interface for Emacs. To add this feature > we need to have it work with the usual command set. The target audience for a linear undo/redo system is likely to use cua-mode, and also likely to not need suspend-frame (because they work in a GUI Emacs and already have a window manager key binding to minimize the GUI window).