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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229859 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:00 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It is also why it is so convenient to define the region without using > the mouse. With the current way of defining region, you just go to > the other end, and you are immediately ready to invoke commands that > operate on the region. How do you do that if point is not on one of > the edges of the region, except by dragging the mouse? The point of persistent blocks is that you can mark a region and leave it for a while before actually doing something to it. It is not a goal to be able to mark a block somewhere far away without ever leaving your position. So: you move point to one end, press a key (or hold down Shift), move to the other end, press another key (or release Shift), move to the target position, press an action key (C-k c for copy, C-k v for move). All without killing anything. Very pacifistic.