From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251709 Archived-At: On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 10:54, Richard Stallman wrote: > > What about collaborative editing? That is, multiple people > > simultaneously editing a document over the internet. > > It would be good to do that in a truly usable way. > > Emacs has had the feature of running multiple terminals at once for > over 20 years, but there are bad problems in it. To do it right, to > has to have a thread for each terminal, and they have to be able to > get in and out of the minibuffer separately. More importantly, a single Emacs will force identical configuration on all collaborating users. And, instead of collaborating, they will curse and bicker over every small convenience each of them has become used to. > The other way to do this is to have separate Emacs processes that > communicate with each other. We would need to use modification hooks > to take note of changes and transmit them to the other Emacses. > > Or perhaps one Emacs could be the "server", and the others act as clients= , > maintaining mirrors of the document. However, it then follows that each instance is going to have its own supporting tools. So, a power user who has an elaborate setup with LSP, flycheck, whatever, will not be able to share the advantages of his setup with a newbie. Also, most collaboration editing tools in use today let users work on a single document but not necessarily on multiple files in a project. E.g. in a pair programming scenario, it would be nice if one could say =E2=80=9Cnow let=E2=80=99s go to that other file=E2=80=9D and the other wou= ld automatically follow. Preferably in a way that avoids the usual post-teleportation feeling of disorientation.