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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255092 Archived-At: On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 11:16, Richard Stallman wrote: > > It would be nice if the CUA specification was available somewhere on > > the Web. Unfortunately, Wikipedia only links to an incomplete Wayback > > Machine mirror that does not have the page on the View menu, so I > > can=E2=80=99t quote from there. > > Do any developers these days try to follow the CUA spec? > If so, they must get it from somewhere. > > If developers these days don't try to follow it, > why do any users expect us (or anyone) to follow it? Developers follow the guidelines of their respective GUI toolkit, OS or desktop environment. Which are many and somewhat diverse, but, in the end, most of them ultimately descend from CUA.