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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255450 Archived-At: On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 10:57, Richard Stallman wrote: > There are two problems with C-?: > > * It requires two shift keys, so it is inconvenient. > (The bindings for undo ensure it can be typed with just one > shift key on all usual terminals.) > > M-_ is likewise inconvenient because of the need for two shift keys. > > Defining these keys in addition to the existing binding for 'undo' > can't do direct harm. But it may disappoint the users you're trying > to help. The users we=E2=80=99re trying to help are already used to Redo being bound= to Ctrl+Shift+Z (because Redo is the inverse of Undo which is usually on Ctrl+Z).