From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Non-ASCII characters in Info files produced by Texinfo 7.1 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:54:26 +0700 Message-ID: References: <83o7gpm9uy.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40101"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 08:55:33 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvBK8-000A96-UU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 08:55:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvBJK-0004WD-F5; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 02:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvBJJ-0004Vy-NW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 02:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2d]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvBJI-0008Oj-1H; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 02:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-457d9ffc9d2so2724627137.1; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 23:54:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1698130478; x=1698735278; darn=gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=3l8eVdGE8DYdDcXFe3JoPHeQr2gLIOVNvew6VbRR5KU=; b=gy2Y8i+cJPjrBzFJmTCN72fO3yNL31GZIGIJfvcZLv8M+YdO2VR6XwtcB8t9ekN7nI KqJYCbzht6NH/2PUZ0My6VPsXw8WOdxZHszf/PtttZ3qAXp4IpsXvALqQ6/H6LwEmHI/ H4+JNxH9pSClxFJyJzXdsWstX8yhvug6bi28r9uoQM1/U8S5YW5Jm3+o6evc0oq8AdD7 9HEqyHUerTWpL9+nqot/h75Wt+9X0bUkqFUpX4HferI48qch9SSMNS4Z9GotC6dLwmU/ H2zuivzr6/APYpdS1UzEhHsYQ0vCk3s0rGqM7w67gro4o8wc37RjL8YOqwJ+l1I/xnzR ShmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1698130478; x=1698735278; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3l8eVdGE8DYdDcXFe3JoPHeQr2gLIOVNvew6VbRR5KU=; b=fo7VJrpcznCQFMFABm76YQ4eZ4TfN6QnxiwYF/XGDQksv0z+88znHfm1tCPrecPC4U 8atQGBUOyc6e4JJK+YKbNDK6zUjIjR+OX2XWbW52yu8i+qAMdiT0/uZ17BM/5jGhq7R9 Pj9jRuKPZ0sUowPO5XWOEBz++o4A+dSGuEJFByqb1NO5JsO7On4D/vpQo0V1K4DPZ3F5 i7TWUtMwCHGDJ1mLP+80WQwDBB3xWxSjtJfo9qXCv1rJxM4oMgj/0j0s+GMkvaYoKCH+ RifIDp2t9amK9eILW3Ozb53ku7LEvcMIpeeQmY+HxPIAJXlmGcRgI3F3UbJ61qCVwT8N VqaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzlVUD0z5eAbAPS2mTj32c8tpvYUc7lf4yiz5zzg4JQXwQyIVmy z6HaugGbv2g6hZl9rE1oiNvdYzxweiW2mRgZeLMBO/hlgUM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGoiU3KyVJz6Z93iDLnxgtU8vRl5l44TQad2IKZ9q9+WdjqmSNCaIKc3cbrrA8zu/bm44ejjkAuWAwoxCH7Knk= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f958:0:b0:450:6ef1:e415 with SMTP id u24-20020a67f958000000b004506ef1e415mr6882221vsq.13.1698130477977; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 23:54:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83o7gpm9uy.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2d; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311748 Archived-At: On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 02:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Texinfo 7.1, released a few days ago, changed the behavior wrt > characters produced from quotes, apostrophes and en- and em-dashes: by > default, it now produces the ASCII equivalents. So, for example, "--" > in the Texinfo source remains "--" in the produced Info file, where > previous versions would produce a real en-dash '=E2=80=93'. > > The main reason for this change is that it makes it easier to grep the > Info files. The proper solution to that would be to (1) teach grep and generally all the other search tools the notion of Unicode canonical and compatibility equivalence, and/or (2) teach people to type proper punctuation and to demand input devices that make typing proper punctuation easier. Using ' for open single quote/close single quote/single prime/apostrophe, " for open double quote/close double quote/double prime, hyphen(s) for minus/en dash/em dash was a technical limitation of the typewriter. ` as a character separate from =C3=A0=C3=A8=C3=AC=C3=B2= =C3=B9 was born as a technical limitation of the typewriter. We are no longer using typewriters and should not be clinging to their artifacts.