From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 22:26:06 +0700 Message-ID: References: <8b4cf399-d1ca-8669-2a78-06813100b987@yandex.ru> <29c12300-db02-2770-e3f6-593998ea98fc@yandex.ru> <20210907062039.GA4097@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33276"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 17:30:00 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNd2u-0008Q9-AT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 17:30:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55782 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNd2s-00053O-Tz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 11:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNczU-0008H1-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 11:26:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vs1-xe32.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32]:47003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNczN-0001iN-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 11:26:28 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vs1-xe32.google.com with SMTP id s15so8628650vst.13 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 08:26:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zJwA3X4Hr0loYI8rRJfOZnqV46mV8iNyySwVK3f7bC4=; b=VKFwzRzk32zb/VxG5mHz42fvsNNNXGhyd83Zl+mxqj1SngE3rUgTWo0jJOIUAJkvsT 6Jr8b7w3GmaPCxPyozsRc7mJpdZvDJVJ/NN1pwitCJFvB6dfYZ7UFvOPQehKbSE7dxCt WHz+RJqmMj8MRUl+Q85T/8eZsUCoV8EhWL6/X5VFC5q71aH6HTbuWwNqLAXRiKY+lD2v UTV9Tv/7UpYIP+5d3sO86fMcH38EsJQlUGsz7cyMlqvDM7WM7GpUgLjxndU23aP6sixu Cwrg/ViZtLHOu9VG5OA85/vzHYMg0Xvhe6L+Fw8nqH9DosadScfcErUmK1R3OKeX19X4 aE2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zJwA3X4Hr0loYI8rRJfOZnqV46mV8iNyySwVK3f7bC4=; b=B1aN17qlMti1eK0o1PF/EWF58f8lprcg5Juii7DjIuZOH/cTSHE8WWsuyaL1EOY7kH 4lrLp903lROsFa5RNORseL/L7TkjgfkhJRVNr50HIapVpWBrPtB9ekH7DeIhhf8RZslw 8iQ+2OdSciMAwintZIyXg4wNfd2LfPTepH//S0gNeoZF9LnTDpZVLT6q8oXKDnhuHXAk Fx6mYGdO95+zKKRwgwH9eX271PxNFEcboXI6E18vog3ppDIa90uzovyvvPVrg/qGU2Yi xFkLrq8KOV2O/ZqVj6BBoe4EGCpYcTx/ylGxvky96gs5Szg2oA1BWxZX/VFau+R0R9s4 LLcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533dyjl+GoqVSQkxt2YyaZ/Us/upWRwuVdf6g60UJ9wk5NJUKcdq eJBeqr1F48ImgV5+665LwSrCdiKqr5DWw5eeJ18a1NPF X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtNwfLdlE6EU48SAvq2UgEl1/NiFza+IGjzPLNCV8wR59idgKn+05sUFvdopu0sTQmbBq0dxcjVUHytXPse9k= X-Received: by 2002:a67:8c07:: with SMTP id o7mr9754688vsd.31.1631028379303; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 08:26:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20210907062039.GA4097@tuxteam.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-xe32.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274251 Archived-At: On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 13:22, wrote: > > > > By the way, how much work would it be to switch C-x and M-x prefixes to C-space and > > > > M-space respectively. > I am a bit confused by this default thing, especially by this new incarnation > of a "defaults war". Each time it feels like a turf war. We are not asking for C-x to be rebound to Cut and C-c to Copy in Emacs defaults. We are asking for it to become possible for us to make that rebinding possible locally. And for that, we need people to stop assuming C-x and C-c are and will always be prefix keys.