From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cairo now default? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:244718 Archived-At: On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 23:26, Colin Baxter wrote: > I agree, yours look at same. Here at mine: > > A. emacs1-splash.png; emacs1-scratch.png > > ./configure --without-cairo > > B. emacs2-splash.png; emacs2-scratch.png > > ./configure > > The configure options tell me I have no Harfbuzz and I get the no > "Harfbuzz" warning message. > > > I'm no expert, but to me, the fonts in B. look weaker than those in A. I recognize the difference between your two sets of screenshots as being caused by different hinting styles used by the two font renderers. Those in A seem to use slight or no hinting. Those in B use strong hinting. On an X11/GNU/Linux desktop, hinting style can be configured in at least three ways. One is via the Xft.hintstyle resource; another is /etc/fonts/fonts.conf or one of the files included from it, typically one of /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-hinting-{full,medium,none,slight}.conf; and the third one is via the XSETTINGS protocol, provided by the desktop environment and configured somewhere in its control panel. For the record, I=E2=80=99m strongly in the slight hinting camp, and would/will be much annoyed if/when Emacs decides to use strong hinting despite my configuration.