From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:35:50 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87h9wqimf0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4q1fekv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k31kga2y.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r3vsdps7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419345413 14905 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 14:36:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:36:53 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 15:36:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3QZo-00021t-Vy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:36:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3QZi-0003cO-VA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:36:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3QZ1-00034E-1h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3QYx-0000h5-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c]:52134) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3QYx-0000gs-7b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:51 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id tr6so6087510ieb.3 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:35:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0WNsJWtGfNvIKe4EnmMRJsj3sfg/ZLPQqRY3rfNn9c0=; b=ugTF8cTXii2TMs42H6SDkXaA7xhk0VzPJSJQOX7fI7Mx0qmOtgnK7lLhWfcRg30JF+ zyNqvECYBJf/QY3jE7ZwB6B3mfpW8oLgiiwx/kF6OMICMHqw9Bfm2faKK0FKkREcdU5b Kn6NYxNgMTk97iP6r2uksaUzyXFgII8VItoI4AXk21avIKcqnz1io/QShorMW3+Yt5YH 3JMNIe2YXVWy0JmaxDhUsJ+PD1Tcm4q1wunX3co5YGIBZzAIy0XYrIwyS87QyTOWYCN6 O3nC8gw1H09FPgR7Cee6YFJynTZdjqQY+Bfvy/PdGDzuF+TXKiV2OFYv1p2ybbHyMWE2 XFow== X-Received: by 10.107.11.10 with SMTP id v10mr26070518ioi.12.1419345350840; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:35:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.107.48.82 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:35:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: SRdlhKDdRVH_u0cGRK9r4lOW8wE X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180560 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Steinar Bang wrote: >> In html5 there is also single tags (whatever they call them,I don't >> remember right now). > > My first version was a +1 to Yuri's comment followed by a rant on this > part of HTML5. > > I deleted the rant, but maybe I shouldn't have...? Oh, I have a perpetual rant at the HTML syntax in general, with all its optional tags, voodoo rules for recovering from bad markup, the adoption agency algorithm, and suchlike. If something is broken, it should be visibly broken. I=E2=80=99d rather HTML were obsoleted in favor o= f XHTML. Sadly, W3C does not feel that way.