From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:29:31 +0700 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> <87k321jj4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54876F7F.9000607@cs.ucla.edu> <87y4qfj2u9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54889A57.5060905@cs.ucla.edu> <87vbljb9f4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <54889F6D.6060408@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3w7b83a.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488C710.3000209@cs.ucla.edu> <871to7ayv9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488DC0C.2070402@cs.ucla.edu> <837fxyt78a.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohiujcy.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> <8761dg1ykk.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> <87388jz1ss.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> <87oar4x0ac.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418790597 12970 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2014 04:29:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Achim Gratz , Emacs developers To: "rms@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 05:29:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y16FA-0001EG-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 05:29:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47883 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y16FA-0001Aw-0Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:29:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51111) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y16Ex-0001Aq-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:29:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y16Ew-0002MB-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:29:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c]:35778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y16Eu-0002Lf-TI; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:29:32 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id tr6so14333903ieb.17 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:29:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/G8SwWJXgt+4u6wiZWvfxAGQ/yv8JeOABc/epU/MtzI=; b=J038TkkWUWfZJFAq8dtcwKRRyR9Ckhs95H0CgFouUfRGziZZAWAtBF4/DfVBps0PqK KtaSC/mtCGkP36uPfZeMoO/AnZtxf6mHHnyiJruJ44p5c/+0WpOc+b9OShNIkfOBtjge 69Yy3i2bH20CFKqnJ0pL8v8yuhMc3jpEbdfthmi9sdvDS1SZ4A9D0hetfAOKyP/xUDpZ oS6+Mqrt6PIEyRsTcMQdSo5kFurRI0JF7/7I4nATwmn0OUrr6DQf7sy736jDyW9AevCW +2GYdhZsflCi9AxObRrmYdXkkY0yy2dpgReZ97KZcTXqDSby0axfVIc6luN1pHEA8bXX FQ8g== X-Received: by 10.50.3.99 with SMTP id b3mr6393955igb.9.1418790571984; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:29:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.107.48.82 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:29:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: RyKAxQ9SB4FQYAD7ryWugufqapg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180215 Archived-At: On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > I have been assuming this is still necessary, but maybe it is not. > If HTML-Info can represent these distinctions with fonts, the same > as in TeX, maybe we don't need semantic markup any more. Maybe > the same appearance can be used in all formats on line and on paper. Appearance is not everything. As a user of a hypothetical HTML-Info, I want to be able to restyle (customize the appearance of) elements with different semantics differently and conveniently. That requires semantic HTML (either with semantic HTML elements such as , and or with CSS classes where no directly suitable element is available). And that, in turn, requires either semantic source or a magic semantic-deriving preprocessor. Now I have been involved in several magic semantic-deriving projects, and I tell you, it=E2=80=99s not a pretty job.