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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242647 Archived-At: On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 20:14, Richard Stallman wrote: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I also understand that Emacs could use a system facility for sending > > email if there was one; but I know I haven=E2=80=99t configured an MT= A > > locally, don=E2=80=99t want to, and ain=E2=80=99t going to. So I assu= me Emacs is not > > going to be able to delegate sending the email to any other program. > > Let's see if this problem is real or apparent. > Would you please try report-emacs-bug and see what happens? > Does it actually send the email? $ emacs -Q M-x report-emacs-bug Observed behavior: 0. A prompt appears in the minibuffer: =E2=80=9CBug Subject:=E2=80=9D. I en= ter =E2=80=9Ctest=E2=80=9D. 1. Two windows appear. The one above looks like an email message composition window, with a bogus From email address ending in .i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me. The one below explains: While in the mail buffer: Type C-c C-c to send the bug report. Type C-x k RET to cancel (don=E2=80=99t send it). Type C-c M-i to copy text to your preferred mail program. Type C-c TAB to visit in Info the Emacs Manual section about when and how to write a bug report, and what information you should include to help fix the bug. If I press C-c M-i at this point, I get to step 4 below. If I adjust my email address in the From line, compose a message text, and press C-c C-c: 2. A prompt appears in the minibuffer, asking me =E2=80=9CSend this bug rep= ort to the Emacs maintainers? (yes or no). I enter =E2=80=9Cyes=E2=80=9D RET. 3. An *Emacs Mail Setup Help* buffer explains that Emacs is not configured to send mail, and offers three choices: =E2=80=98mail client=E2= =80=99 (default), =E2=80=98transport=E2=80=99, and =E2=80=98smtp=E2=80=99. I press= RET to choose the default method. 4. Because I normally use Gmail via its web interface, my mail client is _also_ unconfigured. So a Thunderbird account setup wizard appears, asking me for an email address, SMTP server, and user name. I provide all that and click =E2=80=9CFinish=E2=80=9D. 5. A Thunderbird message composer window appears, with the copy of the bug text in the body, addressed to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. At this point I=E2=80=99m fairly confident that if I were to hit =E2=80=9CSend=E2= =80=9D it would actually go off. So yes, it works, if the user is reasonably serious about reporting the bug= . To boost the user=E2=80=99s confidence in being able to send a bug report, = it might make sense to detect that Emacs is not configured to send mail earlier, and, at step 1, add a clause to the help message: - Type C-c C-c to send the bug report. + Type C-c C-c to send the bug report. You will be asked + to enter your mail server settings.