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From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
To: Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: New key binding syntax
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 15:56:26 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP_d_8U5aLeUOietJmqfWXgZW1uaorBQ_g+fSG7DGOiHQj6a=Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1763939.ehZidYVhZF@galex-713.eu>

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 13:08, Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> wrote:

> > The rollover behavior works entirely on the application side, where
> > the OS and the GUI toolkit send events like “the key at position AB02
> > was pressed while the left Alt is down; by the way, the character for
> > this key in the current layout is x”. If the application reacts to key
> > press and autorepeat events and takes the character and modifiers from
> > them immediately, the “AC01 down (char a), AB05 down (char b), AC01 up
> > (char a), AB05 up (char b)” sequence results in an “a then b” text
> > input. But some applications (notably games) just track the whole bit
> > array of keys.
>
> But what happens after 7 consecutive down on a typical keyboard then?

Technically what happens in that highly theoretical example depends on
the firmware implementation; in the USB protocol, there is provision
for the keyboard reporting “the user held down so many keys I can’t
accurately report them all”.

> why this limitation since each key succeeds the previous one?

Each key does not “succeed” the previous one. Keyboards are not only
used for text input but also for gaming and (rarely, with advanced
users) chord input, and they must be able to report at least a few
keys held down simultaneously, and the exact moment they are released.
In a game, it’s not an unusual situation that you hold down one key to
crouch, another to keep moving (crawling?) forward, and a third one to
turn left or right, while periodically pressing a fourth key to fire.
If the keyboard reports the release too early, you stand back up, and
your enemies notice you.

The limitation is about the keyboard state report having a manageable
size. With this particular format, the 8 modifiers are reported as a
bit mask in a single byte, then there is a mostly reserved byte, then
6 bytes contain the codes of keys currently held down.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-05  8:56 UTC|newest]

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2021-10-04  8:56   ` master 192f935 1/3: Add 'define-keymap' and 'defvar-keymap' Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04  9:42     ` Adam Porter
2021-10-04 10:13       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-10  7:40         ` Madhu
2021-10-19 18:02         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-19 18:18           ` Change indentation of keyword lists/arrays Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-20 16:39             ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-20 19:02               ` Tassilo Horn
2021-10-21  3:02               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  3:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-04 13:06   ` master 192f935 1/3: Add 'define-keymap' and 'defvar-keymap' Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 13:09     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04 13:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 13:44         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04 14:34           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04 16:17           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-05  6:31             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2021-10-12 12:47   ` master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 13:00     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 13:18       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 13:22         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 14:24           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 20:22             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 20:32               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 21:34                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 23:23                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 23:40                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13  3:18                     ` Moving kbd to subr.el Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 11:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 12:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 12:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 14:26                           ` T.V Raman
2021-10-13 15:01                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 15:03                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 16:01                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-13 15:11                               ` T.V Raman
2021-10-13 12:50                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 13:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 13:33                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 22:28                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 22:45                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 22:54                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14 11:50                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 11:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14 12:06                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:28                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 20:55                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 21:04                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 21:13                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15  2:07                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-15 10:28                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 11:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-15 11:10                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-15 11:34                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-15 12:31                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 12:39                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 13:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-15 14:04                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 14:44                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-15 16:05                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-15 16:31                                                           ` T.V Raman
2021-10-15 11:26                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-16 13:48                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-16 14:33                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-16 15:55                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-17 18:54                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-17 19:32                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-17 19:39                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-17 19:42                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-17 19:58                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 11:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-18 11:52                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 13:01                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-18 13:07                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 12:40                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-20  6:47                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-20  7:48                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-20 13:18                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21  2:52                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  3:36                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21  3:39                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  4:07                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21  4:37                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  4:58                                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-20 14:21                                                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-21  2:53                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21 14:19                                                                     ` T.V Raman
2021-10-20 18:51                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-21  2:53                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21 13:40                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 14:20                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-22 14:57                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 15:02                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-22 15:06                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 15:10                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-22 18:16                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 18:18                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-23 23:29                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-24  6:10                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26  3:01                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-24 13:24                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-24 18:10                                                                                         ` Corwin Brust
2021-10-24 18:42                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 16:06                                                                                             ` Corwin Brust
2021-10-25 16:10                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-27 14:41                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-28 12:19                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-28 12:25                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30  6:53                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-30 12:36                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-31  2:39                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-31 14:57                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-02  3:54                                                                                                     ` New key binding syntax Richard Stallman
2021-11-02 11:08                                                                                                       ` John Yates
2021-11-04  2:36                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-04  9:37                                                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2021-11-04 17:09                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-04 22:46                                                                                                               ` John Yates
2021-11-04 22:48                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-04 22:53                                                                                                                   ` John Yates
2021-11-05  2:25                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 12:21                                                                                                                       ` John Yates
2021-11-05 13:45                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06 13:52                                                                                                                           ` John Yates
2021-11-05  3:57                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-05  5:41                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-06  3:20                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-02 12:10                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-11-04  2:36                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-02 16:22                                                                                                       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-04  2:33                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-04  8:53                                                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05  6:08                                                                                                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-05  8:56                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan [this message]
2021-11-05  9:13                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-05 10:03                                                                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05 11:04                                                                                                                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-05 12:02                                                                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-06  3:20                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-05  5:32                                                                                                           ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-07  4:25                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-07  4:48                                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-11-08 23:50                                                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-11-10  4:35                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-10 14:53                                                                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-10 17:24                                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2021-11-13  4:10                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-13 18:47                                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2021-11-16  4:05                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-16  6:21                                                                                                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18  3:52                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-18  5:01                                                                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 14:10                                                                                                                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 14:59                                                                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 15:22                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 15:39                                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 16:50                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 15:32                                                                                                                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 16:20                                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 16:53                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 21:13                                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 11:05                                                                                                                       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 11:31                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19  4:44                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-19  6:05                                                                                                                           ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-19  6:53                                                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2021-11-19  7:40                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 11:33                                                                                                                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-19 12:43                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 12:48                                                                                                                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-16 16:25                                                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-11-10 17:24                                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-10-17 19:55                                                     ` Moving kbd to subr.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-17 21:20                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18  6:02                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 12:46                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 13:15                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 13:50                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 15:50                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 16:03                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 13:53                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-18 13:59                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 14:44                                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-18 15:34                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-18 15:53                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-10-18 15:53                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 15:58                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 16:33                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 20:40                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-18 22:26                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-19  2:31                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-19  2:30                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19  7:02                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-19  7:48                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 10:46                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-19 13:08                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 14:48                                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-19 17:10                                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 17:51                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2021-10-19 18:06                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-10-20 22:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-20 22:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-22  3:29                                                                           ` Po Lu
2021-10-19 12:34                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-19 13:38                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 13:57                                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 14:07                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 14:13                                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 14:16                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 14:25                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 14:31                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 15:03                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-19 14:56                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-19 14:45                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-19 15:09                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 19:07                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 19:00                                                                                     ` Howard Melman
2021-10-19 20:53                                                                                     ` T.V Raman
2021-10-19 20:59                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 21:50                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-20 22:37                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-21  2:54                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-20  1:54                                                                                         ` T.V Raman
2021-10-19 14:00                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-19 14:03                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 16:05                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 17:43                                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 18:54                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-25 14:22                                                                             ` Making a key undefined again Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-25 14:30                                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-25 14:37                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 17:31                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-25 17:48                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-25 22:49                                                                                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-25 22:59                                                                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-25 23:10                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-25 23:27                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-26 16:11                                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-26 19:33                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 16:01                                                                 ` Moving kbd to subr.el Juri Linkov
2021-10-18 16:27                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19  3:08                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18  1:41                                                       ` T.V Raman
2021-10-18 11:40                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  7:27                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 11:33                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 11:53                             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 12:08                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 12:24                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 13:10                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 13:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-14 14:05                                       ` dick
2021-10-14 14:15                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-14 14:31                                           ` dick
2021-10-14 14:33                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 14:36                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 12:36                     ` Representing key sequences (was: master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap) Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 13:17                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 16:28                         ` Representing key sequences Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 23:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 14:12                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 14:40                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-13  8:54               ` master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 11:15                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 12:25                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 12:59                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 12:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 13:05                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 13:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 14:28                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 14:30                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 14:52                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 15:32                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 15:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 16:07                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 19:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 21:53                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 22:55                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14  7:29                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  6:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  7:41                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 12:07                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 12:09                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 12:27                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 12:30                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 12:58                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:28                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 13:31                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:36                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 13:41                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:42                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 13:53                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:59                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 14:14                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 19:07                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 19:13                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 19:32                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 20:01                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-14 20:17                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 20:35                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:43                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:58                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 21:02                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 21:10                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 21:58                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-16 17:07                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 20:59                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-14 21:11                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 19:31                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 19:54                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 19:59                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 22:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-13 22:37             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12 19:28           ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-12 20:10             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 14:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 22:36       ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-14  7:25         ` Eli Zaretskii

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