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[209.85.167.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j19sm2560702lfe.120.2021.12.20.19.23.50 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by mail-lf1-f46.google.com with SMTP id bq20so25118928lfb.4 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:1151:: with SMTP id m17mr1329879lfg.154.1640057030102; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87czlqzrkr.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.177; envelope-from=aikokyle@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-f177.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282549 Archived-At: On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 6:15 PM Po Lu wrote: > > > But even with a buffer showing an image, I can scroll it independently > > in two windows, so xwidgets don't even behave like images. > > If you play a GIF that depicts a scrolling WebKitWebView, you can't > really "scroll" it independently either. Ditto for xwidgets. I would argue that most users would expect scrolling an xwidget webkit buffer that is visible in two windows to behave like eww, not like advancing a frame in a GIF. In fact I would further argue that the way emacs handles displaying a GIF also does not fit the paradigm for emacs buffers and windows. That paradigm being that each window is a separate view into a buffer where the position in the buffer that the window displays is independent of any other window (ie is window local). If, for a GIF, I reasonably say that a buffer's position in a GIF should be its frame number, then I would expect the above buffer-window paradigm to hold. Yet currently it does not. This in contrast to what I would say would be a conceptually similar situation in doc-view which does obey this paradigm.