From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akira Kyle Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:15:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87k0fn8od1.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="392"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 30 01:16:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2j7X-000ATj-S1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 01:16:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2j7W-00013Q-AZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:16:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2j6T-0000ME-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:15:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-f170.google.com ([209.85.208.170]:39431) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2j6R-0007mk-N4; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:15:33 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-f170.google.com with SMTP id x4so20545093ljc.6; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:15:30 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e2JskXekrG+seWwFPmPbsseUcb+XqIYZH2lm/kCY1hk=; b=DSTlJ77wlYgIcfjMDRHwf3ym5gtGhi7bZtN3c2kqA8T9nwHITKqU+8JMMEc/aWez0K ZA0tDRQoGjGd1ygXgVcyCxZFMxVptZ5NLz8bSGYgcpBICDCmKuaheqId5oe9BnuM0Afz 4dbBJ01pHmaGyupJHgVHAM0lazWrpFKxu1wtXuEbtcvtSMpbUiitUi/2cwigQmGKUk9Y wmWyWM2EHSIAzVNfHfzGS13iDGwhP8gD5tPOARFy4KOMAThAfP14yaG1qJAthM55zAyT YoIScqtqUEt0sWAt9EIAI5MuJA0ahiwfZKGZt2mVpyoUvENAcbDd6JsXnm2ivDXCY7cG MQBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wSRPA/+wt8eNhjCQhIglZcNV1tm1DSFjITGvalODqJgjyKNOB 2kq/ChY5YAVU2CZpOIMcje4i0Qym9zSiFuNA X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyn6KPDg1Q80eH9bpWAyROed2/ekKDTsISpEhGI49DK5JI8u6WxfYrh+URCeGm9LQW5YSzdug== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:82ce:: with SMTP id n14mr2095035ljh.249.1640823329259; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:15:29 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from mail-lf1-f44.google.com (mail-lf1-f44.google.com. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283597 Archived-At: On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 7:44 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > > However, this process has speeded up greatly in the past couple or > > years. If you don't get a reply in two weeks, you should ask again, > > and in another two weeks, please tell the Emacs maintainers. We will > > get things moving. > > You're saying that as if having a two week turnaround is an achievement > instead of the failure that it is. > Indeed. Speaking from my own experience, I've been putting off getting my assignment done because apparently, as a university student, I need to do extra work and find the right person at my school to also sign off on this. Since navigating the attitudes of the fsf versus my school towards copyright has been incredibly low on the list of things I'd like to spend my free time on, I have yet to follow through. As such I've been less inclined to spend any of my emacs hacking time on things that touch emacs source code as I know trying to get patches sent in will require me doing this drudge work first and I'm already at my limit of ~15loc. It is really a shame that this process is so time consuming and discouraging for someone like me. I also have a question that I might as well ask here in case anyone knows the answer: part of my funding comes from the US government and work I publish under that funding must be exempt from copyright (i.e. public domain). Is this then incompatible with the fsf copyright assignment, and hence mean I cannot make contributions to such GNU software on time I spend as part of that funding, even if I might consider it part of my research?