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From: Akira Kyle <akira@akirakyle.com>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"Emacs developers" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Motif support
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 21:16:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPWcbYE8sa1ANw7ydeRt=6h8KmWsEPEDdqewf65x3D-+MsdnTQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tuf43r5i.fsf@yahoo.com>

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 8:13 PM Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Aiko Kyle <aikokyle@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > It seems we just passed the 20th anniversary of the release of Emacs
> > 21! Since then, I think a lot of assumptions about hardware have
> > changed or are changing: GPUs are now ubiquitous, hidpi is here to
> > stay, laptops have precision multitouch trackpads and touch displays,
>
> None of which will require a rewrite to support.  In fact, Emacs 29
> already supports precision mice, high definition displays, multitouch
> trackpads, and digitizers.

I know emacs supports these, my point was more about things that
didn't exist when the current architecture of the display engine was
conceived and thus assumptions that were made about hardware for the
sake of performance do not necessarily now hold with newer hardware
(for example subpixel font rendering on hidpi). I'm by no means an
expert in how the display code has evolved since then so I can't say
whether a "rewrite from scratch" of that code today would look the
same as it does now. My point about firefox is that that code looks
vastly different today than it did 20 years ago (eg with webrender and
potential other components coming from servo) because the whole
architecture had to be rethought in order to take full advantage of
hardware acceleration (and they did a lot of experimenting to figure
out the "best" architecture).

>  On X, both the non-Cairo and Cairo builds
> make use of hardware acceleration whenever available through both the
> Glamor component of the X server and the X render extension.
>
> NS also makes use of hardware acceleration, and IIUC GDI (which is used
> in MS-Windows) is also hardware accelerated.

Sure, but the question isn't a binary one (hardware accelerated vs
not) but how well is the available hardware being utilized which is a
much more difficult question to answer.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-20  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2021-12-19  2:04 ` Motif support Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:14     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:35       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:56         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-19  9:12           ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:38             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:41               ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:52                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:58                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:07                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 11:39                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 12:05                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 12:23                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 14:15                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 14:27                                 ` dick
2021-12-19 15:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20  2:12                                   ` Aiko Kyle
2021-12-20  3:13                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  4:16                                       ` Akira Kyle [this message]
2021-12-20  4:43                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 16:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:01                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 19:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:59                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 21:07                                           ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:44                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-20  4:56                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-22  4:16                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22  4:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  3:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23  4:47                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:28         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-20 10:05           ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 10:15             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]               ` <87ee671s9o.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 10:38                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-21  1:01                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-21  3:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:47                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 17:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:02                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 18:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:53                               ` Po Lu
     [not found]                   ` <875yrj1ro7.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-21  5:19                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]             ` <87a6gv1s47.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 11:09               ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 19:32                 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-22 15:58             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:56                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:46                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 20:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:21               ` Madhu
2021-12-23  7:24                 ` Madhu
2021-12-23  9:32                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:38                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:53                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:06                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 14:36                         ` dick
2021-12-23 14:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:01                             ` dick
2021-12-23 15:07                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:33                                 ` dick
2021-12-23 16:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:43                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 14:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 17:47                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 22:47                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-19  8:48       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-19  9:13         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:14       ` martin rudalics
2021-12-20  0:15         ` Madhu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 16:15 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:58   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:28       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 19:18           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:51               ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 19:45           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:15               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 20:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:50                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:09                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:24                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:28                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 18:07                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:20                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22  0:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 16:39                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:59                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23  0:58                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:48                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 10:54                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:10                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:46                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 16:41                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:05                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 18:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 18:57                                         ` dick
2021-12-23 19:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 19:04                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 19:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 22:41                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:26       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:14           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:08               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 20:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 23:44                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-12-23  6:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:43                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:05                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:21                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:34                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:25                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  9:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  0:47             ` Po Lu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-22 19:19 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 19:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:24   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:58       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:46           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:52             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:43               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 17:35                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24  0:38                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:17                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  1:24                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:37                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:06                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:24                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  8:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  2:20                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  2:43                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  7:17                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:46                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 15:05   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 15:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:37 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:39 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:45   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:50     ` Po Lu

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