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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:238441 Archived-At: --00000000000086ad94058d3fc9da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 03:33, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Richard Copley > > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:35:24 +0100 > > Cc: Paul Eggert , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen < > larsi@gnus.org>, daniele@grinta.net, > > Emacs Development > > > > As for "make -O", could it be that you were talking literally about > > that, i.e. about "make -O=target"? Because I meant "make -O=line", > > which AFAIR slows down the build only slightly, and provides the > > line-level separation that you want to see. I think using that is a > > good compromise. > > > > "make -O=line" buffers all output from one line of the Makefile. > > For typical targets with only one command, it's the same as "-O". > > Our targets are not one-line, though. > Some are, notably .c.o. The point is that your statement that "make -O=line" "provides the line-level separation that you want to see" is not true. It's up to you to decide if that affects your argument. --00000000000086ad94058d3fc9da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 03:33, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Richard Copley <rcopley@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:35:24 +0100
> Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, daniele@grinta.net,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Emacs Development <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>
>=C2=A0 As for "make -O", could it be that you were talking li= terally about
>=C2=A0 that, i.e. about "make -O=3Dtarget"?=C2=A0 Because I m= eant "make -O=3Dline",
>=C2=A0 which AFAIR slows down the build only slightly, and provides the=
>=C2=A0 line-level separation that you want to see.=C2=A0 I think using = that is a
>=C2=A0 good compromise.
>
> "make -O=3Dline" buffers all output from one line of the Mak= efile.
> For typical targets with only one command, it's the same as "= -O".

Our targets are not one-line, though.

Some are, notably .c.o. The point is that your s= tatement that "make -O=3Dline"
&q= uot;provides the line-level separation that you want to see" is not tr= ue. It's up to
you to decide if that af= fects your argument.

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