From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Copley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-losedows-builder Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 18:44:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1137fded-fc14-2445-bc6b-e8f2aceed56c@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472838319 16948 195.159.176.226 (2 Sep 2016 17:45:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: simonfv@gmail.com, Emacs Development , Richard Stallman , nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com, Dmitry Gutov To: Kaushal Modi Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 02 19:45:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bfsWd-0003Ul-Qm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 19:45:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43312 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfsWb-0003Qk-Kw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 13:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41560) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfsWU-0003QX-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 13:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfsWU-0000GW-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 13:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ua0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c08::229]:33752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bfsWR-0000Fc-HY; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 13:44:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ua0-x229.google.com with SMTP id l94so184203354ual.0; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:44:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Z3Xl1cmT0jQYgpyBy4vPaGbjtRDhpTjZns9sVQABs1Y=; b=mZZ1/7JXj33ck/Tljfc1ARBXCmvWv+Ifvnmxv5LEr4i9GnO+tkMx0cAUlztOMKRlQU UelopCCYOXdIrU9ACJbbLjfF6tlZpEwJfel9G7pNG1DvKdjdKkiDgdG57S54FXlbkV7P /U8G/AD/D7YVi26G2pc+uioxzQsQj04AajfiGkDpYWNvQQ0e0Qe6JCEihB76hfY+eRZx URJNCLZdANcdUorwBEJCZiWoXBNYk24tvxFOrWcYOM/1baIEY8p1qEIWpCUxChvsmuCG px7ATI0QfrWYAiySs2SBzGgQYTW5noLVKQWEW48elMgHO624/hNc9rDNiNse8athR0Kx Y7ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z3Xl1cmT0jQYgpyBy4vPaGbjtRDhpTjZns9sVQABs1Y=; b=QfOO4Sna9+6FQZFgPxfHqgVx/ZTjkyMtRoF8R55ajBM1Pclihlk99LUZosvpb9Q26G bcS39ytFHbZkhgFX7e1QAUjDK+qDX3TkFvZfMOnTaEJehlI8rKw/6oMd2q+Yh1n0RVEA UPvU6ZxEoP35JcUVBaujjs37uCb8sOR0/Amy8rbAIdHils0tYZJvRUTXdrJt29JQVWlC h8Kc09Wd7x8/Ob9tFsRf8TVjGR03+6SOSoJ8WW4CfLNcWQDgpoG2imTT1/Cm3soOZRE9 U8fkdMwDqnKkYHzBiwdV5gu90ai5r6sk5orA9NLa0RGO6IUyhNvWg+bBloa4OIGRWtbL nrDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwM0PxpGudm5tab2wbhtyXOntftifH4PH2pyDgMXCL5pFMVZ5614pz93sTHwRdp8gGydhaIiwecptWevWQ== X-Received: by 10.159.39.97 with SMTP id a88mr14362234uaa.77.1472838298737; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 10:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.176.65.8 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Sep 2016 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c08::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207140 Archived-At: On 2 September 2016 at 15:15, Kaushal Modi wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 2, 2016, 7:12 AM Richard Stallman wrote: >> >> Or perhaps >> you think of Microsoft as a competitor that deserves respect, rather >> than as an enemy that has subjugated millions of people. > > > Actually before you brought this up, I never thought of the "win" part in > Windows could mean any respect at all. "Win" gives a positive message > probably just in English language and happens to be the first part of the > word windows. This kind of micro-digging to find ways of name calling the > competitor does not suit well to our community. If we should find and > advertise tangible reasons to why we are better than the competitor. > > For all many would care, windows might as well be foodows, and the code in > the patch used foo- instead of win-. That "win-" part means nothing else > than happening to be the first part of Windows. Victory flags do not go > waving in my mind when I read some code with "win-". I believe such trivial > refactoring feedback would be demoralizing to contributors. I agree. The ancestor of the word "window" came from words meaning "wind" and "eye", according to the OED, but it's natural and near-universal to treat it as an atomic unit. There's no particular need to use "win" as an abbreviation and it's not very pleasing, so I don't mind trying to avoid it. The exception is when referring to Win32 (the subsystem, the API or whatever). That's its name and it's silly to call it anything else. > But I agree with the similar change suggested by Glenn on the grounds of > coding consistency.