From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Copley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Future release of emacs-26 (WAS: bug#34341) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 21:34:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <871s1ent89.fsf@gmail.com> <87pnovlr5z.fsf@gmail.com> <83k1f3k3rm.fsf@gnu.org> <87y339g9g7.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000063dbd60588def699" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="169465"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Emacs Development To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 14 22:34:54 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQe8U-000hxj-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 22:34:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53811 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQe8T-0003l5-Eu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 16:34:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35495) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQe8K-0003ky-Sr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 16:34:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQe8J-0006xH-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 16:34:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x32a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::32a]:39156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQe8J-0006rm-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2019 16:34:43 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id r7so140762otn.6 for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=u44y+ORF5EJUEAGtysslDRwkpRzYtEGSb5wUNTiLYJU=; b=aBuDC+iDQPCG1E92giDKNZ1HM84pG53287H5GXw2+7dKx/Lwc9FUYYoetDB9hzZBLz L6DhQ90bilgZd1wzT8QqwwjopV8/pid2h1KxaRzzq/awJQEfcQcAkczGtDz7he2plmMO YTHOPNHsgDsSTp+S1oLghiFtS6qLfHOOgTv5rpUv4ZQ/GaBzvxIJDS4CecasQ1w9KqM+ mTwVWX3rp5kNlblX8nP40Dn6wDNPaIAa5EQXTDPILO5gry0rogePme1znEkmS2k3857P h9mbUUa7ANwKJgsa75bHftScnpptNiA+BtVZ+AZSHdbZpZi6ypEnRzr1V1GrIPxg6yIm PiPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=u44y+ORF5EJUEAGtysslDRwkpRzYtEGSb5wUNTiLYJU=; b=Cvh1JOEpesGpMI52QQevTcYjE+VN2PkNq3a4ln/N+bPvONEgGWi25g7VhU99hQIKEJ 8vALCJtZEQVWgY0xVidDe4b1tafPE+PmpqHLymqkR43MR7H7Ufs+6IvH2OEn1fqPKRuz 9sYsXUgOL1UFyQ2D4pWwT9a+RmP6lwb/jA6XLplRyZ7ZR20D5UUezLNoG9VdKprJR63F yOc9pE2W4ePjUEZ53qTJFXYN2KDQI3YcXQtc26pTAQ9jGWTdmEBF46W37OIZVRbsl4mv ueN+mzrB/70GfMhFQfbwGTOH/ULsLR8Kn+oKaO0jSXORHGOMdDROcPMW6pv+/jm1BEUI ckuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV7UBbtQZUUUcsIxdBM2kqSFSUkLMJVT1HK4uzk95lJSqglUYsr q+hKN/OPcy+HYtvSqRKtf/kPbQTS7Jn6ltYn3Xo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxYeXrB0mA2H1tT/cP2v0zVaYU8pqv8j3covk+uM9b3Exy/IWBtl71l4tYv2I4zmibHT5uXy5pgPxWp0ejVXT8= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:708e:: with SMTP id l14mr14148363otj.233.1557866081408; Tue, 14 May 2019 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87y339g9g7.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236519 Archived-At: --00000000000063dbd60588def699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 09:10, Noam Postavsky wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > and we don't even know whether emacs-26 will be > > used for another "regular" release. > > So, I'm thinking we should be aiming for another "regular" release > around September, when the GNU ELPA package signing key expires. After > that, people downloading Emacs 26.2 won't be able to install GNU ELPA > packages without either disabling signature checking, or manually > installing the new key. > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/35414 > https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/gnu-elpa-keyring-update.html The signature checking has never worked anyway, though. Will having a newer signature make a difference? If I rename my .emacs.d/ and run "emacs" (master), then "M-x package-list", I get this: Failed to verify signature archive-contents.sig: Bad signature from 474F05837FBDEF9B GNU ELPA Signing Agent (2014) < elpasign@elpa.gnu.org> Command output: gpg: Signature made 05/14/19 10:10:03 GMT Summer Time gpg: using DSA key CA442C00F91774F17F59D9B0474F05837FBDEF9B gpg: BAD signature from "GNU ELPA Signing Agent (2014) < elpasign@elpa.gnu.org>" [unknown] This is on Windows, with gpg 2.2.11 on the path. --00000000000063dbd60588def699 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On = Tue, 14 May 2019 at 09:10, Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com> wrote:
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> and we don't even know whether emacs-26 will be
> used for another "regular" release.

So, I'm thinking we should be aiming for another "regular" re= lease
around September, when the GNU ELPA package signing key expires.=C2=A0 Afte= r
that, people downloading Emacs 26.2 won't be able to install GNU ELPA packages without either disabling signature checking, or manually
installing the new key.

https://debbugs.gnu.org/35414
https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/gnu-elpa-ke= yring-update.html

The signature checking has= never worked anyway, though. Will having a newer
signature make a diffe= rence? If I rename my .emacs.d/ and run "emacs" (master),
then= "M-x package-list", I get this:

Failed to verify signatur= e archive-contents.sig:
Bad signature from 474F05837FBDEF9B GNU ELPA Sig= ning Agent (2014) <elpasign@elp= a.gnu.org>
Command output:
gpg: Signature made 05/14/19 10:10:= 03 GMT Summer Time
gpg:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 using DSA key CA442C00F91774F17F= 59D9B0474F05837FBDEF9B
gpg: BAD signature from "GNU ELPA Signing Ag= ent (2014) <elpasign@elpa.gnu.o= rg>" [unknown]

This is = on Windows, with gpg 2.2.11 on the path.
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