From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Reuben Thomas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Flymake support for C/C++ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:38:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87zi8wmmhw.fsf@gmail.com> <83tvz2i2fv.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2u6i0ws.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuaivyeg.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f4030435c5ecc7be13055be172ad" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1508398758 3928 195.159.176.226 (19 Oct 2017 07:39:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Noam Postavsky , Sami Kerola , emacs-devel@gnu.org, =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , Phillip Lord , Leo Liu , Stefan Monnier To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 19 09:39:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e55Py-0007s9-D8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:39:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e55Q5-00087M-NU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:39:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39151) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e55Pu-00087G-LH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:38:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e55Pt-0001Sk-Ld for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:38:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]:57100) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e55Pt-0001Nw-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:38:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id v9so13069539oif.13 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:38:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5pnBdwWHaKgv40sPj4pErj2LEy3M+wuXkJ1a+S+PHJg=; b=xD+b5c4CiBVfz5KujoXz4qjHwwasyO6nxk3SJDwZUqQjs4QJjH+TsXCgeucZSW/jIH TuFZMZTy4Edw26iQTW5GmZQIILYb1w51BpOqFtiK5hMC5mYhnXnfO9HtOEoEgBkgCwyc G4H+OZk/m27lBRUw3WwwMNL4JUWWLvtj7lEao= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5pnBdwWHaKgv40sPj4pErj2LEy3M+wuXkJ1a+S+PHJg=; b=hxaYqNXNtk1N455r1ns22UALf6xeQBOfCNCXC9DhScVE+z+8y6SVI+ysAKgeVS5IpJ FAp6zvWGr6lKBQsPJVwK2jUbTyOBkVynTaHtmngOAnWc4IRGdOQGS2rwskWZAh8sdi7z RUcAjvrM4xLzf4jQ6QFNT0kef1O1eCYhWrUiAwDfF4jpsATSJNZgLpFMlT2NvaFV2r4B 9z/WTuQF/jW11VOrNobUg3rX0iTAt3h5BOrn3qq5jWjJIr3U6enz68uwBtOsQVdJBECl dR199ewmFasJUDkRkfMwoS2g5TXrTLsuI+NnMZyFMNvDsEPYSkTD6SomF9Jtz4XHkOHX zAnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUZEYCO/WoBxhbe06U+2DbB3bqmO3C8SwsiS1X7Fz2nIbR3UrLF EGIfMkyQD5XAdg6p6L9sX4uu8+47iNkRhQlj/omBIg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RvZ0PYJ+aHQiILeUmVimVTLevN/X3bAwA5xuHqELwb2a30PeXiANgQRT+RAykXirOmc03o9imPO5GvQ70WcLs= X-Received: by 10.157.48.130 with SMTP id s2mr352511otc.418.1508398735004; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.157.82.100 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:38:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219626 Archived-At: --f4030435c5ecc7be13055be172ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19 October 2017 at 04:26, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > We use various non-FSF-copyright C libraries. We don't ship their > sources, > > To "use" a library has many possible meanings. > Some of them are ok, some would violate our principles or our license. > Could you explain concretely? > =E2=80=8BI'm talking about the various library dependencies of Emacs.=E2=80= =8B > Also, who are "we"? > =E2=80=8BWe Emacs maintainers.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B > > We're already working on making it possible to remove from git Emacs > Lisp > > packages that are shipped in source releases:=E2=80=8B > > Remove what? From what? > =E2=80=8BRemove what? Emacs Lisp packages, e.g. Org mode (see above: "remov= e=E2=80=A6Emacs Lisp packages").=E2=80=8B >From what? the Emacs git repository (see above: "remove from git"). --=20 https://rrt.sc3d.org --f4030435c5ecc7be13055be172ad Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 9 October 2017 at 04:26, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agen= ts reading my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > We use various non-FSF-copyright C libr= aries. We don't ship their sources,

To "use" a library has many possible meanings.
Some of them are ok, some would violate our principles or our license.
Could you explain concretely?

=E2=80=8BI'm talking about the various library dependencies of Ema= cs.=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
Also, who are "we"?

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=E2=80=8BWe Emacs maintainers.=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =C2=A0 > We're already working on making it possible to remove from = git Emacs Lisp
=C2=A0 > packages that are shipped in source releases:=E2=80=8B

Remove what?=C2=A0 From what?

=E2=80=8BRemove what? Emacs Lisp packages, e.g. Org mode (see a= bove: "remove=E2=80=A6Emacs Lisp packages").=E2=80=8B
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From what? the Emacs git repository (see = above: "remove from git").

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