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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255223 Archived-At: --000000000000ecf9ca05af0d83b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:48 PM G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp wrote: > On 2020-09-11 18:46 +03, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development > discussions. wrote: > > They are indeed, I'm not denying this. My point of view here is: what > > are the most essential things that a user needs to know to use Emacs > > if we have no more than three minutes? Clearly (at least to me) it is > > possible to use Emacs without knowing what a "buffer" or a "window" > > is. > > Someone who can=E2=80=99t spare more than three minutes to research a too= l that > they may end up using for a life time for the majority of their workday > is IMHO not a kind of user we should strive to support. > I think it would be valuable, IMO there's too much unsaid for first-time users and there's important info that can get lost (like CUA mode), it wouldn't help if they missed it. It helps to save people's time in the beginning, even if they know emacs may save them time later on. Time is valuable. > > > -- > =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / > pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427 > > --000000000000ecf9ca05af0d83b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:48 PM G=C3= =B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp <self@gkayaalp= .com> wrote:
On 2020-09-11 18:46 +03, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discuss= ions. <emacs-de= vel@gnu.org> wrote:
> They are indeed, I'm not denying this.=C2=A0 My point of view here= is: what
> are the most essential things that a user needs to know to use Emacs > if we have no more than three minutes?=C2=A0 Clearly (at least to me) = it is
> possible to use Emacs without knowing what a "buffer" or a &= quot;window"
> is.

Someone who can=E2=80=99t spare more than three minutes to research a tool = that
they may end up using for a life time for the majority of their workday
is IMHO not a kind of user we should strive to support.

I think it would be valuable, IMO there's too much uns= aid for first-time users and there's important info that can get lost (= like CUA mode),=C2=A0
it wouldn't help if they missed it. It = helps to save people's time in the beginning, even if they know emacs m= ay save them time later on.=C2=A0

Time is valuable= .



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