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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255089 Archived-At: --000000000000521d1305af024d3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Because the starter kit a friend set me up with (graphene) after I couldn't use vanilla emacs removed it. self@gkayaalp.com addressed the issue. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:13 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > The reason we didn't put these on the splash screen is because we have > > a menu bar, where everyone can find these popular commands without the > > need to read any instructions. Who will not know nowadays that to > > open a file, one need to click on "File" and look in the menu that > > drops down from that? > > That argument seems quite persuasive, but it doesn't seem to apply > to everyone. > > Someone (was it self@gkayaalp.com?) wrote about expecting O to visit a > file; that is what I responded to. Whoever I responded to, if you are > reading this,, could you tell us why the existence of the menu did not > make it obvious how to visit a file? > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > --000000000000521d1305af024d3c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Because the starter kit a friend set me up with (graphene)= after I couldn't use vanilla emacs removed=C2=A0it.=C2=A0=C2=A0self@gkayaalp.com=C2=A0= addressed the issue.=C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:13 PM Richard Stallman= <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agent= s reading my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > The reason we didn't put these on the splash screen is beca= use we have
=C2=A0 > a menu bar, where everyone can find these popular commands with= out the
=C2=A0 > need to read any instructions.=C2=A0 Who will not know nowadays= that to
=C2=A0 > open a file, one need to click on "File" and look in = the menu that
=C2=A0 > drops down from that?

That argument seems quite persuasive, but it doesn't seem to apply
to everyone.

Someone (was it self= @gkayaalp.com?) wrote about expecting O to visit a
file; that is what I responded to.=C2=A0 Whoever I responded to, if you are=
reading this,, could you tell us why the existence of the menu did not
make it obvious how to visit a file?

--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)


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