From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: daniel sutton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223306 Archived-At: --001a114abed40565050566b25baf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I also really like Daniel's passion and ideas. I think he has been contributing new ideas and plenty of code to back it up. Seems like something to be encouraged. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:09 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> "DN" == Daniele Nicolodi writes: > > DN> Personally, I find that better support for display with variable width > DN> fonts will not improve my use of Emacs. What would improve my user > DN> experience would be improvements to the display engine that will allow > a > DN> better document viewing capabilities in something like pdf-tools (like > DN> continuous scrolling). > > I have to agree with Daniele here. I don't use Emacs for writing such > documents, nor would having variable width support by itself grant all the > other features such users have come to expect from modern Word Processors. > > Time spent on a better GC could help the *overall* user experience, in the > form of generally better latency, even if no one would be able to point to > the > GC as the reason for their better experience with Emacs. > > -- > John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F > http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 > > --001a114abed40565050566b25baf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also really like Daniel's passion and ideas. I think= he has been contributing new ideas and plenty of code to back it up. Seems= like something to be encouraged.

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:09 PM, John Wiegley <johnw@gnu.= org> wrote:
>>>>= ;> "DN" =3D=3D Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:

DN> Personally, I find that better support for display with variable wid= th
DN> fonts will not improve my use of Emacs. What would improve my user DN> experience would be improvements to the display engine that will all= ow a
DN> better document viewing capabilities in something like pdf-tools (li= ke
DN> continuous scrolling).

I have to agree with Daniele here. I don't use Emacs for writing such documents, nor would having variable width support by itself grant all the<= br> other features such users have come to expect from modern Word Processors.<= br>
Time spent on a better GC could help the *overall* user experience, in the<= br> form of generally better latency, even if no one would be able to point to = the
GC as the reason for their better experience with Emacs.

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