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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295161 Archived-At: --000000000000d4fef205e8608eac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Pankaj> Debian 11 distro's default setting is to use Wayland. Is that what you mean by pure Wayland? Yup... maybe. There is some confusion in what the implications of this 'default setting is to use Wayland' are. When calling upon the oracle, I was expecting to steer a discussion which can end up as yet another Q(&A) for the FAQ. After many years of Linux use, my understanding is still shadowy on this... mainly because most of the articles I stumbled upon are too high level. So having a 'this are the implications of Wayland for Emacs' kind of _short_ document may be helpful. /PA On Sun, 11 Sept 2022 at 07:56, Pankaj Jangid wrote: > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > > following the discussion of the state of the GTK port, I gave it a chance > > yesterday and have reverted to the X driver for my Linux boxes. The > reason > > for me to drop pgtk for the moment was that I had a 2 second delay > between > > clicking on a menu item and the menu appearing. Some people will tell me > to > > use the key bindings and disable the menu... I use a lot of snippets and > > having them on the menu helps me apply my neurons to other tasks than > > learning snippet triggers by heart ;-) > > > > Don't know what to do when the first pure Wayland distributions appear. > > Maybe other users are in the same situation and 'statement from the > oracle' > > may help us all... > > Debian 11 distro's default setting is to use Wayland. Is that what you > mean by pure Wayland? > > And both the builds working fine on my system. I tried --with-pgtk and > without it. > > Side note: Recently I have switched back to non PGTK build because > set-frame-width and set-frame-height has very erratic behaviour with > PGTK. > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000d4fef205e8608eac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pankaj> Debian 11 distro's default= setting is to use Wayland. Is that what you
mean by pure Wayland?
=

Yup... maybe. There is some confusion in wh= at the implications of this 'default setting is to use Wayland' are= . When calling upon the oracle, I was expecting to steer a discussion which= can end up as yet another Q(&A) for the FAQ. After many years of Linux= use, my understanding is still shadowy on this... mainly because most of t= he articles I stumbled upon are too high level. So having a 'this are t= he implications of Wayland for Emacs' kind of _short_ document may be h= elpful.

/PA

On Sun, 11 Sept 2022 at 07:56, Pa= nkaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgrea= t.org> wrote:
Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com> writes:

> following the discussion of the state of the GTK port, I gave it a cha= nce
> yesterday and have reverted to the X driver for my Linux boxes. The re= ason
> for me to drop pgtk for the moment was that I had a 2 second delay bet= ween
> clicking on a menu item and the menu appearing. Some people will tell = me to
> use the key bindings and disable the menu... I use a lot of snippets a= nd
> having them on the menu helps me apply my neurons to other tasks than<= br> > learning snippet triggers by heart ;-)
>
> Don't know what to do when the first pure Wayland distributions ap= pear.
> Maybe other users are in the same situation and 'statement from th= e oracle'
> may help us all...

Debian 11 distro's default setting is to use Wayland. Is that what you<= br> mean by pure Wayland?

And both the builds working fine on my system. I tried --with-pgtk and
without it.

Side note: Recently I have switched back to non PGTK build because
set-frame-width and set-frame-height has very erratic behaviour with
PGTK.


--
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headach= es with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

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